I disagree. Being able to slap the windows key and type the name of the program I’m looking for is one of my favorite features of both Gnome and KDE and I wish Windows worked similarly.
On KDE, it’s just one of the suggestions, I believe, that you could search this term on the web. If you trigger that suggestion, it then opens the web browser to do the search.
As such, searching “terminal” wouldn’t yield a suggestion from a web result that matches, but I’m pretty sure applications are prioritized above other results either way.
That’s good to hear. It continuously amazes me how often search bars in some pieces of software manage to be worse than ctrl-f in a plaintext document.
It shows up as “Terminal” in the search results, so I imagine that’s what it matches against, even if it is colloquially referred to as “Windows Terminal”…
That’s part of the issue: in the picture is written “Terminal”, so I expect to find it if I search Terminal. I don’t care what is the real name under the hood, I’m searching something for the name you have given me.
You’re not wrong but there’s something very funny about a gaggle of Linux evangelists complaining about it not being obvious what aliases to type to open something
I understand them: I am an old Linux user, used to the command line. In there, once upon a time, a command has only on way to be called, and that way was the name under which the command was known and distributed. Aliases were a personal customization made by the user for his own amusement.
I am still under the assumption that if a program is presented to you as X, then X is the command to type to run said program. But I understand this is now not as obvious, even in the Linux world.
One of the hard problems I still have today in Linux is if I’m having trouble with software and need to know what it is actually called, sometimes that is difficult. Like how am I supposed to know the installer is called calamares or the text editor is called leafpad when the OS calls them “installer” and “text editor”
Exactly, that is IMHO a not-so-sane default that some application launcher adopts. Thankfully you can switch to a more “normal” behavior, it’s a flag somewhere in the configuration menus for the application launcher, at least in KDE and in XFCE
Oh there’s absolutely no excuse for it not to open Terminal when you type terminal. I can’t replicate it on my side but I’ve probably turned that “feature” off ages ago. I’m a little surprised at the downvotes, as I’m making fun of Windows. Linux used to have a reputation for its learning curve, especially knowing CLI commands. Daunting stuff for the average user. It’s better now, and beautifully enough it’s Microsoft’s fuckery with putting unwanted shit in their OS that’s teaching people more about the inner workings of the system they’re using, both pushing them towards gutting the OS, and towards other OSes. In the Lemmy demographic that’s usually Linux, around me it’s actually been Macs, and those are even more egregiously expensive where I live.
Another way the esotericness tables have turned: the Windows configuration UIs have similar names, do adjacent functions, and aren’t listed anywhere in one place. You have to know what setting you want and where it’s found. There used to be one Control Panel, and a few advanced tools you could find in the Start menu. Microsoft wants to “modernize” some of these, so they’ve pulled parts of their settings piecemeal into their new Settings UI (which they call an app, I don’t like that). But you still have some settings that are still in the legacy Control Panel UI. You have a ton of settings that are still in standalone legacy settings UIs. Some of them look like Windows 10, some like Vista/7, and there’s a handful that look like Windows 95. You need to know that the display color calibration options in the Settings UI can be overridden by the vendor’s control software (that’s a whole rant), and that what you actually want is a standalone settings window called Color Management. You need to know what operations can be done in Disk Management, Disk Cleanup, Optimize Drives, you need to know that they exist, and you then need to know if the command you want is actually only achievable in diskpart. I have nothing against diskpart but I can’t tell you which among Terminal, PowerShell, or Windows PowerShell (or any of the x86 variations plural of each of them) is the right place to use it. I can intuitively tell it’s not Windows PowerShell ISE or Azure Cloud Shell though. Yay for computer literacy. I type cmd into the Start menu and it works from there, so I’m content with that. I can’t say Raspberry Pi OS has this many configuration locations but once you know the two or three places to look you’re done.
I know that I will have to move to Linux eventually. I’ve only complained about things in Windows that aren’t designed to abuse the users directly, which is a drop in the bucket, ethically at least, when you look at the responsibilities of the world’s most (or second most) influential company regarding personal computing. But I look at all this and feel like it’s accelerating the scary trend of younger people getting worse with computers. I was able to follow instructions correctly in a novel computer environment to set up a mini homelab with a bunch of Linux servers talking to each other. People my own age and slightly younger at work seem to know fuck all about the computers we use and that terrifies me. We were supposed to get better over time, not worse! There’s a new, younger IT guy, he’s not much younger than me, and half of what I’m procedurally required to ask his help on is something he doesn’t understand at all.
Home server mountain hermit life is no longer over the horizon for me, that’s all I can say really.
All you are saying resonates too much with me… thankfully I have to deal with Windows only at work (and in a really painful way), I’ve managed to switch my home to Linux or BSD, even my old gaming rig.
BTW I think the downvotes where because in your previous comment was not clear on which OS you were throwing shade 😅
This is how I do it. When I forget that I have it pinned on the taskbar or don’t want to use the mouse. I don’t need it enough on windows to remember the keyboard shortcut.
To play devil’s advocate, only people unfamiliar with Windows would look for a terminal that way.
Why? I use the start menu reach for every app that’s not on my taskbar. How else would you do it?
I disagree. Being able to slap the windows key and type the name of the program I’m looking for is one of my favorite features of both Gnome and KDE and I wish Windows worked similarly.
In KDE, you don’t even need to click the start button, you can literally just start typing and krunner will pick it up
plus windows is supposed to work just like that.
before windows 10 came around at least.
Both Gnome and KDE also include a web search. And just like on Linux, you can disable it in Windows Settings.
Bit it will always return
I don’t think that’s a standard inclusion, because it’s not there on my fairly standard Debian install.
Is it on be default? Because if so I’m glad I don’t use that garbage.
On KDE, it’s just one of the suggestions, I believe, that you could search this term on the web. If you trigger that suggestion, it then opens the web browser to do the search.
As such, searching “terminal” wouldn’t yield a suggestion from a web result that matches, but I’m pretty sure applications are prioritized above other results either way.
That’s good to hear. It continuously amazes me how often search bars in some pieces of software manage to be worse than ctrl-f in a plaintext document.
yes but your distro may have it disabled in their default.
It does… (Or did I’ve not used 25H2). But given the app starts with a w you can see the issue.
In gnome you can search for any word of a program name and it will appear in the search result
In KDE I type in “tor” and “factorio” appears above “tor browser”
It shows up as “Terminal” in the search results, so I imagine that’s what it matches against, even if it is colloquially referred to as “Windows Terminal”…
Windows has a alias system so for example memo shows notepad.
And? Why shouldn’t I expect to be able to find essential OS tools and settings by using the OS search?
It shows it to you… Just not first option. The app is actually called Windows Terminal, which is why you get it by typing wt.
That’s part of the issue: in the picture is written “Terminal”, so I expect to find it if I search Terminal. I don’t care what is the real name under the hood, I’m searching something for the name you have given me.
You’re not wrong but there’s something very funny about a gaggle of Linux evangelists complaining about it not being obvious what aliases to type to open something
I understand them: I am an old Linux user, used to the command line. In there, once upon a time, a command has only on way to be called, and that way was the name under which the command was known and distributed. Aliases were a personal customization made by the user for his own amusement. I am still under the assumption that if a program is presented to you as X, then X is the command to type to run said program. But I understand this is now not as obvious, even in the Linux world.
One of the hard problems I still have today in Linux is if I’m having trouble with software and need to know what it is actually called, sometimes that is difficult. Like how am I supposed to know the installer is called calamares or the text editor is called leafpad when the OS calls them “installer” and “text editor”
Exactly, that is IMHO a not-so-sane default that some application launcher adopts. Thankfully you can switch to a more “normal” behavior, it’s a flag somewhere in the configuration menus for the application launcher, at least in KDE and in XFCE
Oh there’s absolutely no excuse for it not to open Terminal when you type
terminal. I can’t replicate it on my side but I’ve probably turned that “feature” off ages ago. I’m a little surprised at the downvotes, as I’m making fun of Windows. Linux used to have a reputation for its learning curve, especially knowing CLI commands. Daunting stuff for the average user. It’s better now, and beautifully enough it’s Microsoft’s fuckery with putting unwanted shit in their OS that’s teaching people more about the inner workings of the system they’re using, both pushing them towards gutting the OS, and towards other OSes. In the Lemmy demographic that’s usually Linux, around me it’s actually been Macs, and those are even more egregiously expensive where I live.Another way the esotericness tables have turned: the Windows configuration UIs have similar names, do adjacent functions, and aren’t listed anywhere in one place. You have to know what setting you want and where it’s found. There used to be one Control Panel, and a few advanced tools you could find in the Start menu. Microsoft wants to “modernize” some of these, so they’ve pulled parts of their settings piecemeal into their new Settings UI (which they call an app, I don’t like that). But you still have some settings that are still in the legacy Control Panel UI. You have a ton of settings that are still in standalone legacy settings UIs. Some of them look like Windows 10, some like Vista/7, and there’s a handful that look like Windows 95. You need to know that the display color calibration options in the Settings UI can be overridden by the vendor’s control software (that’s a whole rant), and that what you actually want is a standalone settings window called Color Management. You need to know what operations can be done in Disk Management, Disk Cleanup, Optimize Drives, you need to know that they exist, and you then need to know if the command you want is actually only achievable in
diskpart. I have nothing againstdiskpartbut I can’t tell you which among Terminal, PowerShell, or Windows PowerShell (or any of the x86 variations plural of each of them) is the right place to use it. I can intuitively tell it’s not Windows PowerShell ISE or Azure Cloud Shell though. Yay for computer literacy. I type cmd into the Start menu and it works from there, so I’m content with that. I can’t say Raspberry Pi OS has this many configuration locations but once you know the two or three places to look you’re done.I know that I will have to move to Linux eventually. I’ve only complained about things in Windows that aren’t designed to abuse the users directly, which is a drop in the bucket, ethically at least, when you look at the responsibilities of the world’s most (or second most) influential company regarding personal computing. But I look at all this and feel like it’s accelerating the scary trend of younger people getting worse with computers. I was able to follow instructions correctly in a novel computer environment to set up a mini homelab with a bunch of Linux servers talking to each other. People my own age and slightly younger at work seem to know fuck all about the computers we use and that terrifies me. We were supposed to get better over time, not worse! There’s a new, younger IT guy, he’s not much younger than me, and half of what I’m procedurally required to ask his help on is something he doesn’t understand at all.
Home server mountain hermit life is no longer over the horizon for me, that’s all I can say really.
All you are saying resonates too much with me… thankfully I have to deal with Windows only at work (and in a really painful way), I’ve managed to switch my home to Linux or BSD, even my old gaming rig.
BTW I think the downvotes where because in your previous comment was not clear on which OS you were throwing shade 😅
This is how I do it. When I forget that I have it pinned on the taskbar or don’t want to use the mouse. I don’t need it enough on windows to remember the keyboard shortcut.
Win+R?
Win+X. The most simple hotkey in windows after the Windows key itself.
Terminal the movie seems really obscure
The Tom Hanks one was really good.