The YouTube channel “Maximum Fury” conducted a technical test of the new Cyberpunk add-on called “Phantom Liberty” on an older AMD hardware system, testing it separately on Linux and Windows 11. The Linux system, specifically the Fedora distribution called Nobara, performed significantly better, delivering 31% more frames compared to Windows 11.
The hardware used for testing included an Asrock B550 motherboard with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600 CPU and an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU from the first RDNA generation, along with 16 GB of DDR4 RAM. The CPU, RAM, and GPU were overclocked, and the system utilized undervolting to save energy costs.
When testing the game at 1080p resolution with high textures, the Linux system achieved an average of 63.72 frames per second (fps), while Windows 11 managed only 48.55 fps. This suggests that the game should run noticeably smoother on the Linux system.
A 30% increase in performance just might get gamers to switch over to the new operating system.
Hell that is the difference between a better graphics card for some people. It's like getting a free overclock, just for going outside your comfort zone.
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This is likely going to change as software support for gaming on Linux improves.
If you consider real high performance computing, with well optimized libraries that can properly use the hardware (including GPUs), 50 % difference between windows and Linux is not really surprising. This is the reason 100% of real high performance computing is done on Linux. It is a better OS for raw performances than windows. For some tasks we are easily talking over twice the performances. It is not always the case, but not surprising at all.
The differences clearly depend on the actual low level implementation of the code. But in general the current situation in gaming, with windows that competes with Linux on raw performances, is only due to lack of software support for gaming on Linux. As this is changing over time, we'll see games performances greatly improve in Linux. Hopefully until the physiological surpass of windows performances.
Currently most of gaming support on Linux is done via some kind of translation layer, that has itself an overhead. It means that the real linux performance would be even better than in all these benchmarks, if it was really possible to compare 1:1 Windows and Linux with native, well optimized code.
This is probably more common than you'd think, at least in my anecdotal experience. Converting directx commands to vulkan commands, especially for AMD GPUs, can result in better and more consistent performance on Linux.
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There was a tweet before the recent Cyberpunk update that essentially said "expect very high CPU utilization as we now use the whole CPU" which I thought just meant they dropped the ball somewhere.
Usually gaming on Linux is like ~5-10% slower for GPU-bound games.
Or faster. Depends heavily on the game. Some things wine + dxvk does better.
It’s not rare for games to be a few % faster, as long as they’re using features that are well supported in Linux. If the bottleneck is something that needs heavier emulation because the native implementation isn’t available or good enough then yeah you’ll see slowdowns.
I kind of expect a patch for Windows that addresses the reason it is slower there now that they know there is a difference.
Sometimes there are also unimplemented/broken features on Linux which people don't notice and save frames. Legit performance improvements over Windows do happen (especially on memory and cpu-limited systems) but I'd be skeptical of any particularly huge ones.
Yeah.
I’m personally lucky that my fav titles are CPU hogs, like ARMA 3 and X4: Foundations. Both run better under Linux.
Cyberpunk runs great too, I’m sure once we eventually get the updated drivers for NVIDIA we’ll get Ray Recon too.
This is just one game with one particular graphics card, this might not be the same for example with nvidia cards.
I'd be surprised if it is.
I can't see anything but something hinky with driver overhead mattering this much.
Yeah but it still upsets me that “Fedora” exists lol. The name, that is.
30 percent of real improvement is one hell of an overclock…
Is there a Linux distro specifically optimized for gaming?
Nobara is great, based on fedora so very stable and fairly up to date with many built in gaming features and no after install setup required to get gaming. https://nobaraproject.org/
Running it for over a year now on my gaming rig and very happy
Nobara and Pop!_OS do well in this regard.
SteamOS technically, but you probably don’t want it on a regular computer.
SteamOS is perfect on the deck. Honestly it’s probably fine on a PC if all you do is game and browse Firefox. Obviously some games won’t run in Linux.
linux users still coping
nobody likes linux yall are chatting in an echo chamber. lemmy feels like a comp sci major college party lol
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Wait, DLSS doesn't work on Linux at all? That's a pretty big thing to gloss over whenever someone is talking about linux gaming and how comparable it is to windows nowadays. I doubt I'd be able to get anything remotely close to a stable framerate on cyberpunk2077 without it, and same goes for other newer games like dying light 2 or starfield!
DLSS works. It took a while longer than Windows, but Nvidia themselves actually provide Wine-compatible DLL files. Also, there's a native way to implement DLSS for Linux which, I kid you not, zero games so far are using. The Windows version works fine though.
But DLSS Frame Generation and Ray Reconstruction do not work, and there are zero workarounds.
Oh, so he's just talking about DLSS3 features, gotchya. I thought DLSS 1 performance improvements are also frame generation but I see now thats different
DLSS is upscaler. Game is rendered at lower resolution and then image is upscaled in a bit smarter way than simple "stretching".
Aren’t frame generation and ray reconstruction new? I’m sure they’ll work one day, although I’m not a big Linux head I only use steamos on the deck I just see a lot of Linux posts on Lemmy so here I am lol.
Plain DLSS definitely works, I'm guessing they mean that specific reconstruction feature. I'm sure it'll be implemented eventually if it's possible at all though.
Side note, a kind of related feature that is missing for sure from the Linux drivers is DLDSR, and plain DSR for that matter. As a heavy user of both, it's a bit of a personal deal breaker.DLSS works fine on Linux, but I don't know about frame generation and ray reconstruction specifically. It could be those two don't work yet.
DLSS is a matter of Nvidia’s sub-par driver support. FSR2 (and soon FSR3, which does frame gen.) works, ironically even on Nvidia GPUs :P
DLSS ray reconstruction works in Linux. You just need to launch with
DXVK_NVAPI_DRIVER_VERSION=53799 VKD3D_CONFIG=dxr11 %command%.I was (happily!) wrong. See reply below.
No, it’s definitely working. Here’s proof (open the images in a new tab and zoom in on the reflections to see the difference in clarity):
With reconstruction:
Without reconstruction:
With reconstruction:
Without reconstruction:
With
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Could you tell me how to use these arguments?
Sure thing! Right click on any game in Steam and click Properties. Then in the General tab, you’ll see a Launch Options box where you can paste these arguments in.
What most people get wrong when first trying to use it is not knowing how to correctly specify environment variables vs launch options that get passed to the game executable. If you just want to pass arguments to the game, just paste them into the box. So for example with Cyberpunk, you can just paste in
--launcher-skipand Steam will launch the game as if you were running
Cyberpunk2077.exe --launcher-skipHowever, if you want to specify environment variables as well, you’ll need the
command%placeholder. So, in order to enable raytracing and bypass the driver check for ray reconstruction in Cyberpunk, I paste these launch arguments into the settings:DXVK_NVAPI_DRIVER_VERSION=53799 VKD3D_CONFIG=dxr11 %command% --launcher-skipwhich is like running
DXVK_NVAPI_DRIVER_VERSION=53799 VKD3D_CONFIG=dxr11 Cyberpunk2077.exe --launcher-skipcommand%is just a placeholder for the game’s executable path.Hope that clears things up with regards to the launch options.
As far as knowing which environment variables to use, that’s on a game-by-game basis, but the two most common ones that I use for Nvidia GPUs are
PROTON_ENABLE_NVAPI=1which enables DLSS in games that are not on Proton’s NVAPI whitelist, andVKD3D_CONFIG=dxr11which enables raytracing. I almost never bother with any other environment variables unless there’s special game issues I need to workaround (like Cyberpunk’s driver version check), in which case I check ProtonDB or the game’s issue tracker on the Proton GitHub page.deleted by creator
Also no HDR, either (not supported by the OS). You're not getting the full Cyberpunk experience without HDR and Ray Reconstruction. But I suppose that people with an older PC and monitor would benefit by switching to Linux.
Gamescope allows the usage of HDR
I recently tried but can't get the tone mapping right in gamescope, any tips?
HDR on Linux is definitely a thing, KDE supports it
I already got the full cyberpunk experience 3 years ago, and it was terrible. Making the game prettier doesn't make it any less of a joke.
I used to say things like this too, but then I played 2.0.
Surprisingly it’s a proper game now. They turned the game into GTA in the future, and that’s a good thing. Also the perk system was completely overhauled, and weapons rebalanced so that you actually have to do more than just grab whatever has the highest DPS.
The story’s the same, but everything else is completely different. Give it another chance.
I’ve tried it. It absolutely is not “GTA in the future”. It’s just as shallow as it was at launch.
Now can you make it stop defaulting to controller keybindings on Linux?
echo '2C45C6: EB' | xxd -r - Cyberpunk2077.exe
In the x64 bin folder
Source, and what is this command supposed to do? We shouldn't blindly copypaste shell commands from online.
The Steam community thread about this issue and I can vouch it does fix it.
“trust me bro” is not an answer
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This bug was fixed in a patch when phantom liberty launched? I haven’t seen it since that patch anyway.
Thank you!
Shut up and look at the more frames. - article author mumbling - God damn ingrates always complaining just because things don't work right… 30% more frames is practically 10% less controller!
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Hey that's a similar setup to mine, except I have 6700XT, on ultra settings, worst case scenario I get ~60FPS, on average it's 80
I haven't tried the new update but this gives me high hopes for what my 6800 can chew through.
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Why does the Nobara benchmark report as Windows 10 pro?
probably from the wine trick it uses or something, no?
I wouldn't know personally. I don't use linux for games except on my steam deck, so I don't have any knowledge on the subject. That does make some sense though if WINE relies on tricking software into thinking it's Windows.
Wine always reports itself as some version of Windows. Mostly, it doesn't really matter.
@JigglySackles @cron wine self reports itself as windows 10 for compatibility
Thanks!
5600
“Older”
Ha that hit hard. This is basically the system I just upgraded to. Well at least it’ll run the game well.
There isn’t a single piece of software that I use that makes me think I should upgrade my 5600. Not a single game fully utilizes it (on 1440p res)
Older hardware is fine.
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There’s no such thing as magic. Some computation is absolutely getting skipped.
Sure, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing; if the Linux version is missing useful output that would be bad, but if the DX to Vulkan translation ironed out a performance regression, or the scheduler works better in this scenario, or filesystem access had issues with NTFS it could also cause performance differences in Linux favour.
NTFS is pretty outdated, btw
I guess I agree, but because the title felt a lot like a youtube channel clickbait promo, I bit. In an opposite way.
Yeah, that’s usually called optimization ;-)
Also don’t know how much stuff runs in the background on W11, maybe there is now more stuff needing memory and CPU time
No, that is not what optimisation is.
Was meant with tongue in cheek - at least that was meant with the smiley
But still, could very much think of some hungry background processes. I’m just guessing, as I don’t run Win11 anywhere
… Is probably defender
Windows 11 is trash. Microsoft kept boasting it was “faster” than 10, but it is (unsurprisingly?) heavy in some weird areas, including a less snappy start menu, more telemetry, invasive integration with their software, you name it. Tried one machine in my collection to try it via an upgrade (a Microsoft Surface Pro 6), and the performance was so bad I ended up going back to Windows 10. Multi-second lag just to get to the program shortcuts is a really bad sign.
Strange, I’ve had the opposite experience. I remember early on 11 was really bad and buggy in general so I waited to move my main install, but it’s been fantastic for me on laptop and desktop.
Granted, I’m very particular about my Windows installs and know how to clean everything up pretty well, so I have no idea how out of box experience compares, but at least with how I use it, 11 has been fantastic, performance has been much more consistent, I don’t need to reboot as often, and it lasted way longer before I felt the need for a fresh install than any of my 10 installations.
I still have certain things I’m not able to entirely fix that bug me (still searching for a way to remove the stupid Office 365 ad from the settings homepage) that weren’t in Windows 10, but the settings in 11 are overall SO much better, window snapping is way better, explorer is way better, HDR support is way better, multi-monitor support is better, default apps in general are better, it’s becoming easier to remove built-in apps you don’t want, and just a whole bunch of small QOL changes and updated, more consistent styling, it’s just a much nicer OS to use at this point.
If you haven’t tried it yet, Tiny11 23H2 just came out, and while there’s still some stuff I fixed after installation, it does an excellent job of trimming most of the fat off Win11 without sacrificing usability. You can use Windows update like normal (and you’ll have to update after install) but it may be worth another try if you haven’t tried 11 recently. IMO it’s a really nice upgrade over 10 if you can fix all the little annoyances like the new right-click and such. (BloatyNosy on GitHub is what I use post-install, in addition to a few powershell commands and such)
I don’t doubt you cleaned up it up well. But you are the exception rather than the rule for experiencing Windows 11.
The absolute shitfest that is the incessant integration with Bing and other online only tech is the biggest problem. If you have muscle memory like I do to start button + type keyword for a program + enter, it is unbearably slow to respond at times for the search to catch up. Or my new favorite, getting ready to hit enter, only to have it change the current selection right before.
And this is to say nothing of the critical settings you can no longer directly control or are just broken. Want to change the power profile of your laptop? Buried. Want to get an estimate on your battery time remaining? Better open the registry. Want to switch your background? Well, roll the dice on that high resolution PNG you just created; unlike 10, 11 fails on some backgrounds of certain filetypes if they’re over a certain size (try a detailed PNG over 3000x4000). Just want a plain old Documents directory that isn’t integrated with OneDrive? Happy hunting; turning it off ain’t enough anymore.
Damn, you know what? I actually sort of liked windows 11 when I had it on an empty SSD but now that I’ve added all my software I’ve noticed it’s much less snappy than win10 was.
Now I’m thinking of down(upgrading) back to windows 10 but Feel like it’s going to be a hassle. I’m not as tech savvy as I used to be and can’t even recall how to go back to win10 without just installing it fresh
It is just unfortunate that it does not run on Nvidia hardware. The benchmark runs if you disable all RTX features, but it crashes on a new game before you even have full control of the character.
Looking at protondb it looks like all people with Nvidia have issues since the 2.0 update. I hope there will be some fix soon. I don't want to replace the GPU yet it would be a waste (2080 Super).
For now I am playing it on my Steam Deck instead.
I don’t know what you’re talking about, It run very well on my Nvidia GPU on Linux before and after the patch and DLC.
Create a new character, select corporate start and once the other person enters the room the game crashes just for the easiest 100% reproducible crash. Other people have the same problems and even if they get past that (different game start) it still frequently crashes due to Nvidia driver bugs as far as I understand it.
If it works so well for you what’s your setup? I heard some older Nvidia cards might work better.
Downgrade to the 510 Nvidia driver. Runs absolutely solid on my rtx2080. It should be noted that this crash seems to be quite correlated to the rtx20x0 cards - my speculation is that something about dlss is a bit borked on them since they’re the first dlss 2+ cards. It’s not even exclusively Linux either, reports indicate that there’s some sort of overlay (I blame the call overlay myself) that is tanking fps on windows as well. The 510 driver works great because dlss isn’t available for it as I understand it.
No issues here, more than 20 hours on Linux on a 3080 latest drivers, wayland, , dlss, ray tracing or not, works great.
Can you do ray tracing on Linux? I played today a bit and the option was grayed out. I’m on X though, using official drivers.
Yup, you just gotta set the right environment variables. Can’t remember them off the top of my head though, “NVAPI” is part of one of them I think. Don’t have an nvidia gpu anymore, though, switched to AMD about two months back.
Just came back to say it freaken worked. Cyberpunk on linux looks and runs just as well as it does on windows. I don’t think I need to dual boot anymore…
export PROTON_HIDE_NVIDIA_GPU=0 export PROTON_ENABLE_NVAPI=1 export VKD3D_CONFIG="dxr,dxr11" export PROTON_ENABLE_NGX_UPDATER=1In case anyone else is wondering…
Haha glad it worked out :)
By the way, the “rendering at lower resolution and upscaling” thingy, is there a way to force AMD’s version on any game in Linux? I want to play Satisfactory and got a 5700G, fat iGPU but only 2GB VRAM.
Forcing FSR1 is possible (and was even possible before it was on Windows), FSR2 is not.
You can use Gamescope or I think Proton/DXVK has FSR1 support as well
Thanks Stadia. No wonder it performed so well.
Casual vulkan W?
well, unfortunately i have the opposite but it’s not too bad. high settings with motion blur etc.,fsr disabled but with chromatic aberration on i get like 10fps less than windows gtx 1660 ti and ryzen 5 3600 prolly a nvidia issue
Chromatic aberration drops my fps too, on windows 10
Chromatic aberration is so bad, it’s trying to imitate bad lenses in a camera instead of our eyes which are so fine tuned that we don’t really have it(unless you need glasses lenses)
@arin @gothicdecadence
Hate to tell you, but eyes have chromatic aberration. They have lots of optical faults. They’re really pretty crappy, but our visual system learn to filter out and ignore it.Not true, when i have glasses on i see the chromatic aberration, but not when i take them off. The game exaggerates CR like old cameras where newer high quality lenses on cameras don’t have such bad CR mimicked by the game.
@arin You see the chromatic aberration from your glasses. You don’t see the aberration from your eyes, same as you don’t see the blind spot or the yellow spot, or notice that your peripheral vision is in black and white only.
Nice, next game should have black/white peripheral zones
i should’ve rephrased that,normally the high preset disables chromatic aberration, i enable it and i use the same settings on both operating systems
It’s a well known fact that every second major release of Windows is crap.
- Windows 95 was not the best.
- Windows 95OSR2 was the one you wanted.
- Windows 98 sucked.
- Windows 98 2nd ed. worked as the former should have.
- Windows 2000 was great but had no support for running games.
- XP solved that and made people leave Windows 98 (I deliberately left out the clusterf… Windows ME.).
- Windows Vista sucked balls.
- Windows 7 was what Vista should have been.
- Windows 8? Metro on phones, yes! On desktop? No no no.
- Windows 10 got Microsoft back on track again.
I thought the new upgrade scheme (2 editions per year) Microsoft introduced with Windows 10 would be like “every second release will suck” but it started to look like Microsoft were able to break the curse…
…and then Windows 11 happened.
I ran 2000 back in the day and didn’t really have any problems with it. IMO it breaks the pattern somewhat. XP was better, of course, but 2000 was a good OS.
