Looking for some testimonials on these setups as I’m due for a keyboard upgrade. I like the thought of spreading my arms a bit more and the external wrist rotation from the tenting. Any suggestions?
I bought a moonlander by ZSA about a year ago.
I found the split allows for a much more relaxed position while writing, and being able to adjust the halves individually when I reposition myself is very comfortable.
They also have the benefit of having thumb clusters, giving more work to the strongest finger of the hand.
Another benefit I find is that most split keyboards are fully programmable, which makes customizing it to your needs very nice.
The only drawback I find to this keyboard (apart from the price, which is not cheap) is that it is hefty, and not easy to transport. The fact that it is wired clutters a bit the desktop, if this is something that concerns you.
I recently built a corne low profile yo have something more transportable and wireless, but this is much more involved, as the configuration goes through writing code and not a nice UI.
However the comfort of this new board is very nice.
There was a whole subreddit dedicated to ergonomcal keyboards, ErgoMechKeyboards, which is very interesting to browse, as what I have done is seen as extreme by my coworkers, but tame compared to what some people are do.
I can vouch for the moonlander too. I had an Ergodox EZ for ~3 years, then got a Moonlander, and I’ve loved them both. Really comfortable to use, and as someone with some chronic wrist issues, honestly a career saver. The Moonlander is also slightly easier than the Ergodox EZ regarding transport as it folds a bit tighter and came with a carry case.
Fellow Moonlander + Corne user here. Once I accepted that I was never realistically going to take my Moonlander on the go, I sprang for the Platform kit. It’s a huge improvement over the stock tenting legs.
Column stagger and ortholinear keyboards are an ergonomic wonder. Everyone’s hands are different of course, but I find them really comfortable.
Another big plus for ZSA products is their software. The graphical configurator is really powerful and nice to use. It adds a lot of features on top of what’s natively available in QMK. I’ve only manually tweaked my firmware once, and that was for a particularly niche and convoluted use case.
I started off with the quefrency, a split ‘normal’ keyboard, then started making my own (3d printed handwired) orthos.
Then I saw the alu case for iris and got tempted but am unwilling to drop >$300 on a layout I’ve never used before, so designed my own case with tilt and 3d printed and handwired that (all for ~£30 only!! split orthos CAN be cheap! - my first post on Lemmy was on this :D) And have been daily driving it so far
Column staggered is defo the way to go
I’m going down that rabbit hole as well - I’ve already built a handwired 3d printed keyboard and my current project is a split with a 4-way switch as a thumb cluster - inspired by the Fulcrum and in case I need a different cluster, this part of the case is modular.
My next build was (probably) going to be a remix of the iris and I wanted to include a joystick so I could use it 4 ways (towards left, highlight words to left; to right, layer; up down, vol controls).
I’d never come across 4/5 way switches before so that’s definitely something I’ll be looking into! Thanks for sharing!!
What CAD program do you use for designing your cases?
Ah you’re right, it’s a 5 way switch - forgot the “push” action. I’m using realthunders’ branch of FreeCAD - it is really convenient to use compared to the normal release.
Oh I might have to take a look at that, I also use FreeCAD! Damn look at all these things you’re introducing me to 😂
That’s awesome, glad to hear that! If you’re still learning it like me, I can really recommend the videos by OficineRobotica on YouTube (like quick recap on some additions to the branch and the series about building a Raspberry Pi case)
I started off getting a Dygma Raise, as this is a staggered layout like a standard keyboard and you could even slot it together or separate it and use as a split.
I recently put together a Lily58 which is a columnar layout, which took a few days to get used to but I have been enjoying using it.
I absolutely adore my kinesis freestyle 2. I have the 15° tilt attachments, and my wrists dont feel uncomfortable at all at the end of the day like they used to.
Same here. I wish the Freestyle 2 came with the attachments by default, because when I remove them I find it uncomfortable to use. But it’s great with the tilt+palm rests!
I find that I go through phases, switching between the Kinesis and the Microsoft Ergonomic 4000. The latter is so cheap that I usually recommend it as a starting point for people.
I have the Kinesis Freestyle Edge keyboard and so far I love it. The split definitely helps in allowing my shoulders to be more relaxed. And I feel like the tilt definitely helps as well, though I wouldnt set the tilt to be too high, as it may cause issues with typing.
I got my piantor yesterday and i really like it so far, it was a bit of a challenge to set everything up in a way i like. And my writing speed has deceased from 140 wpm to about 30. But that is just a matter of relearning to write on this keyboard and unlearning years of bad writing practices.
I haven’t tried one, but I probably won’t like it, because I often type with one hand as my other hand is busy or dirty, and having to learn what’s basicallly another layout is too much.
I have an Ergodox and I love it. I’ve used it for a little over 5 years at this point. Combined with an ergonomic ball mouse, better chair, and physical therapy, I’ve mostly eliminated my arm and wrist pain. My only complaint is it’s not topre key switches but there are very few topre keyboards as-is and Cherry browns are okay, I suppose
Boss bought me a UHK, I love it. The split and tent is great on my wrists and fingers. And it’s extremely programmable.
It’s awesome with a workplace that cares about ergonomics
I have a ReDox keyboard built by https://falba.tech/. It took a month of getting used to but once I did I can’t go back. My wrist pain is gone and the layers I built make me faster in practice than I was on a standard layout.
I read the first sentence and was like “wait, I haven’t been here yet” :D
It makes a lot of sense to me, although I haven’t jumped on one yet.
But I refuse to use anything but a 65%, I have a seperate numpad if I need one and having mouse and keyboard closer together is already a godsend ergonomics wise, I have no idea how I could stand full size boards back in the day.
A split keyboard is already great because your arms can be in a normal position and proper tenting and tilt makes sure your wrists are at a good angle as well.
That said, most of the more “advanced” split keyboards have pretty… unique layouts and I don’t know if I’ll get used to them. I also really want to keep my arrow keys and don’t want to rely on layers too much, for stuff like the F keys and other rarely used functions it’s fine but I don’t want layers for anything that’s a regular part of my workflow.
Maybe I’ll just get a quefrency and see how it goes.
The Microsoft Sculpt keyboard is my perfect keyboard. They discontinued it a couple months ago, but you can still find them in Amazon. Tented and split (though it’s one solid unit, so no customization) with a separate wireless numpad for exactly the reason you described. Typing on anything else makes my fingers go numb after about half an hour.
Still thinking about trying a fully customizable one someday though, but I’m not sure it’s worth the expense for me
I use an Iris, a split ortholinear board. I also used a pack of differently sized rubber feet to tent the board a small amount. I love using it, I wish I could have one for every system I use.
I’m even keeping my eye on the Framework 16 inch laptop, since the customizable keyboard module will allow for a split board!
I’ve been usung a Moonlander for a couple of months after a friend at work lent me his Ergodox EZ. The learning curve for someone who’d been trying freestyle for 30 years was tough, but I definitely prefer it now I’m accustomed.
Most ergo keyboard users are somewhat zealous, so if you know someone who uses one, they may be happy to lend you one on a temp basis.
My wife and I use the ZSA moonlander when we’re not gaming. When we game we switch to regualr 60%s. I also have a custom built split keyboard that I don’t really use.
For me, it saved my wrists. My wrist and forearms used to go numb after extended coding sessions while using a regular 60%. I no longer have that issue using a split.
I do recommend researching switches, as I found that using Gateron Red Inks, 45g actuation force, also added to relieving stress on my wrists. I lubed and filmed them too, which is overboard for most.
I also recommend trying different key layouts, I use Colemak DH, but Workman and regular Colemak are also good. They lower the finger movement needed to press the most used letters in English. Layouts can be changed on the hardware level on the Moonlander, allowing it to just work on any device.
https://colemakmods.github.io/mod-dh/ https://workmanlayout.org/
If you are OK with a larger learning curve, the Charachorder One is a great option. It’s split, great for RSI, and works well with tenting with a 3D printed stand.
