Burning the board reverses development. Which decision in the past was wrong that could have led to a better society?
We would make the same mistakes again.
We could create a white pill. When groups of humans become enemies and it’s ok to hate them, then somebody is playing a fascist playbook and it becomes time to offer an alternative to all participants. (Which is just other words for ‘pawns of capitalists’.)
From my current pov, there is no good life, hell not any life on this planet in the future, under capitlism.
The infinite extraction of profit needs to go.
That is what I mean by burn the board. Because the idea that the pawns are only able to run towards the enemy in the hope of becoming a queen (which is the epitome of the carrot on a stick) is just sick.
How to change human nature? People could stop being pawns and redefine the game but they don’t do it. Here, NEETS stop playing the game and they are immediately shunned by society. People can’t stand to see in others what they have to suppress in themselves.
The end of capitalism would require some benevolent people to be in control or a majority of society that doesn’t fall for manipulations.
The best that I can imagine is that those who don’t like capitalism create their own island, kind of like the situation in brave new world. Fortunately I am not that clever so I hope that others find a better solution.
you mean the neoliberalist take of social darwinism. thats debunked. people are born good and empathetic. even evolution has not happened as capitalists like to picture it. not the strongest individuum has prevailed but the most kooperative group.
People could stop being pawns and redefine the game but they don’t do it.
The next neoliberalist take of individualizing systemic problems. people have zero real influence on their lives. there are also very few countries that even have a semblance of democracy. even in germany, people are so manipulated that they obviously decide against their own self interest.
The best that I can imagine is that those who don’t like capitalism create their own island, kind of like the situation in brave new world.
That is currently being done. Many places are building horizontal, base democratic communities. It also has been done many times over, but capitalist countries have destroyed a lot of them. Sometimes killing the people involved.
The western countries are in a very precarious situation in terms of democracy. Capitalism is ultimately a fascist system (absolutist hierarchies, eviction of the weak, darwinism) and will always lead to fascism if unrestrained.
Some ideas of people are either solely worker owned companies, full blown democratic socialism or base democracy with federation. All promising concepts.
not the strongest individuum has prevailed but the most kooperative group
yes
people have zero real influence on their lives.
Which means that they haven’t become the most kooperative group.
Many places are building horizontal, base democratic communities.
Some ideas of people are either solely worker owned companies, full blown democratic socialism or base democracy with federation.
Are those going to be the most kooperative groups?
If we assume that it is possible for society itself to become the most kooperative group then something seems to be missing to make that possible.
My personal hunch is that there must be a more efficient way to resolve in-group conflicts that stand in the way of cooperation. So maybe we should look very closely at what is wrong with the current NEET situation.
I am not familiar with that particular situation but I’m absolutely sure that the answer lies in exploitation, oppression and manipulation. Everything can be traced back to it in capitalism.
And I suggest that it does not matter anymore who is the most cooperative group because you have all encompassing totalitarian rule of capital. You could think of a much better system and be discredited by the capital owned media, jailed by the capital owned nationstates, etc.
There is always the all encompassing totalitarian rule of capital. People trade in prisoner of war camps. Everything has a value and people will exchange things by value unless they have a joined identity. Capital doesn’t crush families. Why should capital try to crush cooperating people who don’t oppose capital itself?
Now you’re mixing trade and capitalism. Trade is much older than capitalism and is also part of the massive majority of non capitalist states and groups.
Capital doesn’t crush families.
Ask americans who are right now losing their families due to capital interests (e.g. health insurance)
Why should capital try to crush cooperating people who don’t oppose capital itself?
It doesnt, necessarily. It absorbs them, makes them profitable, etc. It corrupts everything by making it part of profit generation. E.g. Nelson Mandela. It changes the narrative to paint them as friends when the same people today would be killed as terrorists.
It only crushes those which will not let themselves be absorbed. Those who through systemic and continuous effort shield themselves from capitalist influence. It discredits them, brands them as enemies, openly lies about them and uses the nation states to back it up.
State propaganda is real in every country on earth. We’re living under the totalitarian rule of capital.
I had to check where I had seen your name before. :)
I say burn the board.
:) But don’t hold that in my favor.
Burning the board reverses development. Which decision in the past was wrong that could have led to a better society?
We would make the same mistakes again.
We could create a white pill. When groups of humans become enemies and it’s ok to hate them, then somebody is playing a fascist playbook and it becomes time to offer an alternative to all participants. (Which is just other words for ‘pawns of capitalists’.)
From my current pov, there is no good life, hell not any life on this planet in the future, under capitlism.
The infinite extraction of profit needs to go.
That is what I mean by burn the board. Because the idea that the pawns are only able to run towards the enemy in the hope of becoming a queen (which is the epitome of the carrot on a stick) is just sick.
How to change human nature? People could stop being pawns and redefine the game but they don’t do it. Here, NEETS stop playing the game and they are immediately shunned by society. People can’t stand to see in others what they have to suppress in themselves.
The end of capitalism would require some benevolent people to be in control or a majority of society that doesn’t fall for manipulations.
The best that I can imagine is that those who don’t like capitalism create their own island, kind of like the situation in brave new world. Fortunately I am not that clever so I hope that others find a better solution.
you mean the neoliberalist take of social darwinism. thats debunked. people are born good and empathetic. even evolution has not happened as capitalists like to picture it. not the strongest individuum has prevailed but the most kooperative group.
The next neoliberalist take of individualizing systemic problems. people have zero real influence on their lives. there are also very few countries that even have a semblance of democracy. even in germany, people are so manipulated that they obviously decide against their own self interest.
That is currently being done. Many places are building horizontal, base democratic communities. It also has been done many times over, but capitalist countries have destroyed a lot of them. Sometimes killing the people involved.
The western countries are in a very precarious situation in terms of democracy. Capitalism is ultimately a fascist system (absolutist hierarchies, eviction of the weak, darwinism) and will always lead to fascism if unrestrained.
Some ideas of people are either solely worker owned companies, full blown democratic socialism or base democracy with federation. All promising concepts.
yes
Which means that they haven’t become the most kooperative group.
Are those going to be the most kooperative groups?
If we assume that it is possible for society itself to become the most kooperative group then something seems to be missing to make that possible.
My personal hunch is that there must be a more efficient way to resolve in-group conflicts that stand in the way of cooperation. So maybe we should look very closely at what is wrong with the current NEET situation.
I am not familiar with that particular situation but I’m absolutely sure that the answer lies in exploitation, oppression and manipulation. Everything can be traced back to it in capitalism.
And I suggest that it does not matter anymore who is the most cooperative group because you have all encompassing totalitarian rule of capital. You could think of a much better system and be discredited by the capital owned media, jailed by the capital owned nationstates, etc.
There is always the all encompassing totalitarian rule of capital. People trade in prisoner of war camps. Everything has a value and people will exchange things by value unless they have a joined identity. Capital doesn’t crush families. Why should capital try to crush cooperating people who don’t oppose capital itself?
Now you’re mixing trade and capitalism. Trade is much older than capitalism and is also part of the massive majority of non capitalist states and groups.
Ask americans who are right now losing their families due to capital interests (e.g. health insurance)
It doesnt, necessarily. It absorbs them, makes them profitable, etc. It corrupts everything by making it part of profit generation. E.g. Nelson Mandela. It changes the narrative to paint them as friends when the same people today would be killed as terrorists.
It only crushes those which will not let themselves be absorbed. Those who through systemic and continuous effort shield themselves from capitalist influence. It discredits them, brands them as enemies, openly lies about them and uses the nation states to back it up.
State propaganda is real in every country on earth. We’re living under the totalitarian rule of capital.