A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal – and true
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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

  • Red@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    3·
    2 days ago

    how can you understand them? the israeli state isn’t a ensuring safety for anyone, practically any western nation is safer, unless you are also purely invested in the idea of the state being the condition and site of safety for a nation and blatantly ignoring reality to the point that wishing for ethnic cleansing seems reasonable

    which is also known as being a frothing at the mouth fascist

    • the_wiz@feddit.orgEnglish
      12·
      2 days ago

      Somehow i have the feeling that i will regret further participating in this conversation, but i feel somewhat masochistic today:

      Any western nation is safer because no western nation is surrounded by countries that would happily do to the israelis what the israelis currently are doing to the palestinians. Yes, its unfair and brutal, but as a nation of a people that was selected for annihilation just about 90 years ago i personaly can understand that they are willing to commit every atrocity needed to ensure that nobody will attack them.

      Do i LIKE it? Hell no! Would i like a better solution where everyone over there lives in peace? Absolutely! But i can UNDERSTAND why they acting the way they do.

      • Red@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        Yes, its unfair and brutal

        it’s not just unfair and brutal, it’s also completely irrational, israel has sacrficed actual conditions of safety for israeli jews and israelis in general in favour of an image of safety that’s completely worthless outside of being soothing to fascists

        but as a nation of a people that was selected for annihilation just about 90 years ago i personaly can understand that they are willing to commit every atrocity needed to ensure that nobody will attack them.

        roma people were in the exact same camps historically and they don’t seem to be exhibiting the same genocidal attitudes, neither do non-israeli jews, hardship doesn’t necessarily make one a fascist

        you should ask yourself why the ideological depravity of israeli society makes sense to you, when it hasn’t led to any good results for anyone

        Do i LIKE it?Hell no! Would i like a better solution where everyone over there lives in peace? Absolutely! But i can UNDERSTAND why they acting the way they do.

        i can understand how they are acting the way they do, as in, what lead to the motives historically, what the ideological undertones of them are; but the why completely eludes me

        also, do you actually believe that a ‘better solution’ is possible? or are you just gesturing at futility and imploring people to accept tough realities or whatever

        Any western nation is safer because no western nation is surrounded by countries that would happily do to the israelis what the israelis currently are doing to the palestinians.

        why do you suppose that’s the case now? sentiments towards jewish people in europe were worse than they are in any country neighboring israel