• Stovetop@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    I’m not in the UK, but I recall Iran being in the media a lot in China and the US. Back when Trump assassinated one of their generals during his first term, the recurring abductions and rapes of women and young girls by the morality police that sparked nationwide protests, the arms they are providing for Russia in their invasion of Ukraine, and now Israel’s unprovoked attack on Iranian infrastructure and citizens.

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      19 hours ago

      What do you expect iran to do want the whole west is imposing severe sanctions harming regular citizens. Iran as no choice but to work with russia. Iran could have been an neutral country if americans, israelis and britosh didn’t support the shah coup

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        18 hours ago

        I expect them to stop harming their own civilians, too.

        We don’t need to cheer on an oppressive, totalitarian regime just because they’re at odds with another oppressive, totalitarian regime.

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          3 hours ago

          Funny, I’ve been saying this for the last three years and liberals have been telling me that that makes me a tankie Putin simp.

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          18 hours ago

          I am cheering iran right to self defence not the regime harming their own civilians.

          Do you condemn israel starting the war and killing civilians ?

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            17 hours ago

            Yes I condemn Israel, this isn’t an either/or type of situation. Both countries are shitty.

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              3 hours ago

              Ukraine is also pretty shitty, but no one seems to have any problem understanding why people would cheer them on when they get attacked.

              Funny how liberals can only extend that privilege to white countries

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              17 hours ago

              We saw how western and Israel intervention always has devastating effect to the population of those countries. The only rational way to think about this is Iran has to defend itself against foreign power known for indiscriminate destructions . Once once it is repealed . The Iranian population can fight against the regime

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                37 minutes ago

                Sure, not saying Iran doesn’t have the right to defend itself.

                Revolution is sort of a separate consideration, however. Governments often use war as an excuse to continue eroding the basic rights of citizens, and Iran is no stranger to theocratic fascism. Revolutions can begin during wars.

                1940’s China paused its revolution in order to face the existential threat of Japan. On the other hand, 1910’s Russia began its revolution during the ongoing conflict of the Great War. The people will reach a breaking point whenever things become too intolerable. It’s different for each example.

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      19 hours ago

      Basically nothing for 2 years (the protests ended), and the first term for Trump ended in 2021, so 4 years ago. The only thing I have seen is about arms sales, occasionally and it doesn’t express any opinion other than an Iran drone was used.

      In the last few days since the attack, it’s quite a lot about nuclear weapons that may be 2 months, 2 years or a 20 years away, and now about journalists. Basically, the strategy has changed to bumping them up the enemies list to justify the attacks.

      We don’t see much about the Syrian leader, as he’s not much of a terrorist now he’s working with the West.

      It’s interesting how media can pivot their narratives about who the heroes and villains are at any time, and it’s always in line with government foreign policy.