cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/46449191

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday Ukraine should agree a deal to end the war with Russia because “Russia is a very big power, and they’re not”

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      1 day ago

      Agreed. But they are not going to stop, so we should let more people die?

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        If Ukraine were to all-out surrender, Russia would continue to kill Ukrainians and take territory. Do you really think Russia would pack up their stuff and go home?

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          An all-out surrender is not smart. There has to be a ceasefire and then diplomatic solutions sought for. As much as I dislike Trump, he is correct in saying that there will be land swaps. Ukraine has to get guarantees and security measures in exchange, without it there should be no deal.

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            There already was an agreement made when Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal, and look what happened. You are incredibly naive.

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              True. It was agreed that everyone will protect Ukraine. Russia was a bitch and broke it. What is stopping others from protecting Ukraine? Supplying weapons is not the end of their duty. They should have sent soldiers to fight, but they won’t. Because they don’t want their people to die. It has been mare a proxy war.

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        If your home gets broken into are you not going to defend it? Or will you let the burglar keep your own house so he won’t kill you.

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          I will defend it but once it is established that I am not going to win, I will seek to protect what I can instead of risking more for what has been lost.

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                What is the point in dying if it won’t make a difference

                You wouldn’t fight for your family sitting next to you? You wouldn’t defend them with everything you have? Would you apologize to them for not doing anything to stop them being raped and beaten because “it wouldn’t make a difference” anyway? Do you think it would change their view of you if you sat down when they needed you to stand up the most?

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                Wow. Doubling down on the spinelessness. I’d bet you’re the type.of guy to sacrifice your own family to save your own skin.

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                  That’s why there are no revolutions anymore lol. It is easier to let others die than do anything that endangers self. Basically how the West views this war.