cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/46451542
Several NATO powers have pledged a total of $1.5 billion to cover the cost of US weapons packages
I hope Ukraine gets enough weapons to end this war and reaches peace.
Well, since we were not able to get our production up sufficiently in the 3 years(or the 8 before that) we have to pay now. The question is whether our governments have a plan how to replace these shipments with our production. Even if the war in Ukraine ends it might be soon needed in Caucasus, Moldova or elsewhere.
The US fucked us so bad. They started this entire shit show by persisting on expanding Nato after the Iraq war, even though Merkel and Sarkozy both said that it would lead to war. Putin stated publicly that Nato expansion would be interpreted as an existential threat, and still the US pushed. They spend billions on pro US propaganda via USAid and the NED (just look up Red lines not to cross Zelenskiy, which is basically an open thread from the US to Ukraine not to sign a peace deal or there would be „civil unrest“).
And even during the peace talks in Istanbul, they convinced (or coerced) Ukraine not to sign it „hey we’ll have your back you can win this war, trust us, we have never cynically abandoned proxies before“. And now they let the Europeans pay for it and the Ukrainians die for it.
Yes, Russias attack on Ukraine was illegal, but the war was also preventable. And I have a hard time to believe that the Finlandization of Ukraine would have been worse than the complete destruction of it. Especially for all the man that have been killed or maimed for a preventable and doomed war from the beginning.
Nato expansion would be interpreted as an existential threat
Nice try tankie.
Merkel literally said that adding Ukraine to Nato would cause war, and here we are. Is Merkel a „Tankie“?
Oh yeah…
The ever expansionist NATO that keeps pulling the breaks whenever a new candidate appears because this or that already existing member puts up last minute conditions.
That Against the secluded empire that pulls no breaks to fuck up it’s neighbours until they accept the membership with the gun barrel pointed at their forehead.
My point isn’t who is right or wrong, my point is that this war was preventable. A different security arrangement, for example a neutral Ukraine could have prevented the country from being destroyed. This was not a fringe opinion, many international relations experts and politicians have stated this, yet somehow knowing all this the US pursued. It’s almost as if there is a group of Russia hawks within most administrations that actively seek to escalate conflicts with Russia.
And if you think the US supports Ukraine altruistically you’re delusional, especially after what they are doing in Gaza. (Or Iraq for that matter).
Georgia wasn’t even in talks with joining NATO or even the EU when Russia invaded it.
NATO isn’t a war bait for Russia. It has never been. Russia hasn’t decided to start this war because of NATO expansionism.
The only reason the US is getting into this is because the EU is their best client. The US has no interest in defending Ukraine. I understand that, it has been made perfectly clear ( not by you, specifically but by representatives of the US nation.)