• MrFinnbean@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        1 day ago

        So your example is coalation of 50 tripes with council who decites major decitions? Wow. That really sound ground breaking and unique way to govern people.

        Didint their end beging when they could not agree how to respond to British Crown request of aid during the American Revolution?

        • blindbunny@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          You act like any state did any better for the people it ruled at the time.

            • blindbunny@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              1 day ago

              And you failed to show it is at not better? Because of one mistake? While fighting colonialism?

              • MrFinnbean@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 day ago

                No. I asked you to prove your point and like i tought you just wanted to bash common modern ways of ruling without offering any concrete alternative.

                The only example you produced was failed coalation of tribes, that was not unique in the eyes of history or especially well functioning alternative to modern goverments.

                You just earlier argued that in any state where somebody has power they will use it wrong. How their system was immune to that?

      • arrow74@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        while the Grand Council served an important ceremonial role, it was not a government in the sense that Morgan thought.[40][41][42] According to this view, Iroquois political and diplomatic decisions are made on the local level and are based on assessments of community consensus. A central government that develops policy and implements it for the people at large is not the Iroquois model of government.

        Per your source. Also important to note that those that were allowed to sit on the “grand council” were determined through hereditary succession. So if this government had power it would be essentially a confederacy ruled by nobles.

        I won’t disagree that a nice decentralized democratic society would be pretty awesome, but it’s also a lot harder to do with 7 billion people.

        In your example each clan would have been no larger than a small town. Less than 1,000 people. Of course, there were towns that used to exist in the Americas that were much larger, but for many we don’t know how those were governed. Particularly those in North America. By thr time Europeans began asking the large cities had collapsed due to disease