• assertnull@programming.dev
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    24 hours ago

    The title could have given more context. I’m not saying there is anything false or misleading, but as written the title is clickbait since you have to click through to get the key facts such as “Privacy app author convicted of facilitating money laundering for Samouri Wallet”

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      23 hours ago

      That’s just an excuse, no different from “encryption enables pedophilia” or “hands enable domestic violence”. Any tool can be used for illegal activity

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      21 hours ago

      I agree that OP could have post a summary with the video, but clickbait would be “He built a privacy tool, and you won’t believe what happened next” or something that doesn’t inform of the content of the video. Here it’s pretty clear, he built a privacy tool and was arrested for it, all the info is contained in the title.

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        20 hours ago

        Click bait is anything that is designed to bait people into clicking a link. Virtually every headline and content title on the internet is click bait to some level.

        Malicious click bait is when headlines either outright lie, or imply things that aren’t accurate to the content.

        The phrasing of this title implies that the creation of a privacy tool is what the creator got arrested for, which is in fact inaccurate to the content, as the reason wasn’t creating the tool, the reason was using the tool for money laundering.

        So imo it’s 100% fair to call this title malicious clickbait

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          20 hours ago

          The phrasing of this title implies that the creation of a privacy tool is what the creator got arrested for

          That’s LITERALLY what happened.

          No, he wasn’t accused of using it for money laundering at all, he was actually accused of “conspiracy” to money laundering, claiming that his tool facilitates it, HOWEVER, the prosecution itself knew their charges had absolutely no legal basis and kept it a secret, and when the defense made a motion to dismiss it was denied by the judge without even being heard and the judge gave no reason for it (I guess being on record that the trial is a farce wouldn’t look good). In front of an openly hostile judge and a trial that has no intention of following laws, legal costs in the millions piling up, he made a deal for 5 years in prison instead of the 25 they were going to give him.

          Again, he wasn’t even charged with money laundering, he was arrested for creating a tool that can be used for that. The title is telling the truth - therefore, it’s not malicious.

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      23 hours ago

      I wouldn’t say that not going with an overly descriptive title classifies a bait. You can always add more context but that’s what the actual article/video is for, a title is just a brief general description to catch the readers attention. Something like “Interview with Keonne Rodriguez, the founder of Samurai Wallet - a privacy focused bitcoin wallet who’s going to prison after being compelled to pleading guilty to running an unlicenced money transmitting business.” is very descriptive but doesn’t make a great title IMO. It’s like saying that “Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone” is a readbait because calling it “A Wizard Orphan and a Magic Rock” would give more context.

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        17 hours ago

        They’re deliberately withholding basic details of the story so that you have to click the video to get them. That’s clickbait.

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          15 hours ago

          What details are being withheld? His name, the tool’s name, the crime, the sentence? What title would be more informative?

          Samurai wallet dev sentenced to 5 years

          Is that better? Only if you already know what samurai wallet is.

          Keonne Rodriguez pleads guilty to conspiracy to run an unlicensed money transmission business?

          Only if you know who Keonne Rodriguez is and that conspiracy to run an unlicensed money transmission business carries a prison sentence of up to 5 years.

          A privacy tool dev sentenced to 5 years for a conspiracy to run an unlicensed money transmission business?

          Is this any better? I don’t think so. It still doesn’t tell you anything about the actual case. You can’t condense an hour long video into a single sentence beyond the basic premise, and trying to do so risks glossing over important details and misinforming the viewer. Also, it’s not the titles job to give you details about the story, just a basic overview of what the story is about.

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            15 hours ago

            What details are being withheld? His name, the tool’s name, the crime, the sentence? What title would be more informative?

            …yeah? That’s absolutely much more informative

            Samurai wallet dev sentenced to 5 years

            Is that better? Only if you already know what samurai wallet is.

            Correct again. I mean it’s infinitely better than the current one where it doesn’t matter if you do know what Samourai is. Also replace Samourai with “crypto” and baby you got a stew goin’.

            You can’t condense an hour long video into a single sentence beyond the basic premise

            You don’t have to. You just try to make it as information dense as possible. That’s the entire point of a title. It’s not supposed to be just a bunch of random filler words. You’ve just provided several great examples yourself.

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              If you don’t know what samurai wallet is then that title would be less informative. Replacing samurai with crypto can only mislead the reader into thinking that the issue was the crypto and not the privacy part. It also doesn’t tell you anything about why he’s being imprisoned, while with “He Built a Privacy Tool. Now He’s Going to Prison.” it’s implied why (because he built a privacy tool).

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                14 hours ago

                If you don’t know what samurai wallet is then that title would be less informative.

                No.

                Replacing samurai with crypto can only mislead the reader into thinking that the issue was the crypto and not the privacy part.

                No.

                It also doesn’t tell you anything about why he’s being imprisoned

                Neither does the current title. But at least then we know it’s something to do with a crypto wallet instead of a “privacy tool”.

                it’s implied why (because he built a privacy tool)

                A “privacy tool” could be an infinite number of things. A “crypto wallet” is super specific.

                At this point I think it’s pretty clear you’re just being disingenuous so I’ll bid you good day.

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                  13 hours ago

                  "If you don’t know what samurai wallet is then that title would be less informative.

                  No."

                  What do you “no”? It absolutely would be. A samurai wallet could be a physical wallet for cash, some hidden blade device, a toy, a regular non privacy centric crypto wallet. For example lets pretend there is this crypto wallet you haven’t heard of. Would a title like “Developer of Ninja Pocket goes to prison” be more or less informative to you?

                  "Replacing samurai with crypto can only mislead the reader into thinking that the issue was the crypto and not the privacy part.

                  No. "

                  Again, what do you mean “no”? “Developer of crypto wallet imprisoned” tells you nothing about why he was jailed and completely misses the whole point of the story - that he was imprisoned due to the privacy features of the wallet.

                  "It also doesn’t tell you anything about why he’s being imprisoned

                  Neither does the current title. But at least then we know it’s something to do with a crypto wallet instead of a “privacy tool”."

                  Like I said it’s implied. The title doesn’t need to tell you that it has something to do with a crypto wallet because that’s not the important part. The privacy preserving characteristics of it is what matters. His “crime” isn’t making a crypto wallet, it’s making it private.

                  At this point I think it’s pretty clear you’re just being disingenuous so I’ll bid you good day.

                  IDK how you came to that conclusion but ok.