Thoughts?

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

  • citizen4509@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Leftists are normally anti-imperialism.

    Extreme left is the same as extreme right. Soviet Union was also left wing but they were very imperialist as well and oppressing. Basically like the Nazis but in denial.

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      Authoritarianism and leftism are incompatible ideologies. The PRC and USSR both failed at their worker revolutions and swiftly ended up with corrupt oligarchy still controlling the means of production and hoarding the fruits of production. That’s not left-wing, that’s the far-right con game.

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        So now we are trying to justify them by saying that communist regimes were not really communist? I get that ideally Marx had good ideas, but the way they turn out seems to me it’s always the same. Someone has to have control and actually make a plan and people are greedy and have lust for power, that’s the reality. Also it’s not like I’m inventing anything, that’s the shoe horse theory.

      • hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de
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        3 days ago

        You are saying the same thing. He just skips the bullshit everyone peddles on purpose or still eats up the propaganda.

        Soviets and bolsheviks were never communists.

        They were fascists all along.

        You think nazis did not believe they were doing it for the good of all? Come the fuck on.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Stalinism, of which China uses a modernized version of, is the conservatism of leftism. It might have some leftist goals, but otherwise its main goal is conserving the status quo.

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      Dude. No.

      Extreme right equates to genocide of anyone deemed unworthy.

      Extreme left equates to a lot of regulations to keep any company from treating people differently based on group affiliation. Often blindly and without understanding there are exceptions. Basically a belief in left wing social progression but extreme and without an understanding of the why.

      They aren’t the same. At all.

      • citizen4509@lemmy.world
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        Dude yes, don’t be a tankie. Soviet Union for instance was not kind to Jews, Poles, homosexuals, or people with a faith exactly the same way as Nazi Germany, just replace labour camp with gulag. They literally kept countries under Russian thumb with tanks and the second they could get freedom everyone choose independence.

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          You are confusing authoritarianism with social politics.

          Authoritarianism can exist in both far right. Right. Center. Left. And far left.

          It’s independent of that aspect of political affiliation.

          The Nazis weren’t left. And neither was Russia.

          You have an actual example of pro diversity and inclusion people killing groups they don’t like?

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          2 days ago

          There’s no such thing as Auth Left, they’re just Right Wingers in love with collectivization who tell people they’re Left

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          2 days ago

          Authoritarian is independent of left or right.

          It’s just wanting control over people.