• Miaou@jlai.lu
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    20 hours ago

    You think UK/France will nuke DC over Greenland?

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      19 hours ago

      Just stop sending us plastic shit and fresh food, once all the walmarts fold in the rural areas, the red wave will come to dc to protest emasse

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          10 hours ago

          You’re wrong, and anyway there are more than just military options.

          For example there are devastating economic options. And generations-long wars of attrition and terror with neighboring countries that look like you and sound like you. The US sucks at occupation, even when they’re brown people on the other side of the world. Imagine they hide in plain sight.

          You planning to kill everyone?

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        17 hours ago

        I don’t think there is anything in the French arsenal shy of a nuclear weapon that could deter a US advance.

        I also haven’t seen anything to suggest the UK would oppose a US occupation of Greenland. If anything, they’d more likely offer a deal to facilitate it - especially if Parliament falls to Reform UK in the next few years

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          17 hours ago

          The US cannot win a protracted war with the rest of the world. They can barely occupy a country full of illiterate goat herders that look and sound nothing like them. Even in Canada they might have immediate victories but they will be in for decades of war of attrition with an enemy that looks like them, talks like them, and can either pop in and out of thousands of acres of impassable muskegs and boreal forest, or hop over the impossibly long and similarly defensible border to attack inside the US, or just hide in plain sight to act like your friend until they’re not.

          Unless they’re planning to destroy everything and kill everyone. So I guess they need to ask themselves how they feel living in the US after all that suffering, death and destruction.

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            11 hours ago

            The US cannot win a protracted war with the rest of the world.

            Europe is not the “rest of the world”. They sit high and mighty now in judgement after raping the rest of the planet for 500 years and then culminating that in the two most destructive wars in human history and the greatest atrocity in the Holocaust. But it’s also a group of countries that spend far, far less on their militaries combined than the US does.

            • RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca
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              10 hours ago

              It’s not just about military spending. It doesn’t make you invincible.

              The US has created a world tuned to give them all the economic advantages, and they are too stupid and arrogant to realize what happens when that all ends.

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            16 hours ago

            The US cannot win a protracted war with the rest of the world.

            Since Its Birth the USA has only had 17 years of peace. None of those years have occurred since 1941. I don’t know how else you describe “a protracted war with the rest of the world”, but given the enormous economic growth over the last 85 years and the near-endless multi-theater conflicts the US has been engaged in over that period, I would say it can and it has.

            Unless they’re planning to destroy everything and kill everyone.

            The great thing about war is that it churns the economy. And Americans care more about economic growth than any other domestic policy. Would be a shame if everything was destroyed and everyone killed, because then we’d have nothing to enact war on in the following fiscal quarter.

            Much easier to just keep the wars at a low simmer and “lose” them endlessly, while contractors and arms dealers grow fatter and happier ad infinitum.

            • RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca
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              14 hours ago

              The US has never really sacrificed in a war. They’ve never had any threat of invasion or hostility inside their borders. It’s charming that you think what the US has done in third world countries is war. Dropping troops half way across the planet to fight underdeveloped resource rich nations that never threaten you economically or militarily is not a war. The one time one of these conflicts came home, resulting in large scale unscheduled demolition in NYC, the country went apeshit and acted as if they were in their last moments, trashed their rights and freedoms and invoked article 5 - the only time in history - so that they could spend over a decade in Afghanistan and end up leaving after cashing in the blood of their young men and women to make oil companies and defense contractors rich.

              The corpulent unwashed masses in the US are lazy and addicted to their comforts. They’ve never had a war on their borders.

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                13 hours ago

                The US has never really sacrificed in a war.

                Idk about that…

                Pretty much a joke that the American public sector is a trainwreck thanks to how much we’ve squandered invading overseas.

                Plenty of Americans have suffered and died to poverty, neglect, and the hideous environmental impact of the MIC, because so much of our economy is routed into immiserating others.

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                  12 hours ago

                  Yes, this was the right response, and you are correct.

                  I’m not claiming any ground here at all by the way. Canada has never suffered an invasion either.

                  It’s very easy to be flippant about the scale of suffering in WW2. The German invasion of Russia, translated to the US, would have been an invasion along the entire east coast that pushed from NYC as far in as Kansas City.

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                13 hours ago

                They’ve never had any threat of invasion or hostility inside their borders

                Do you think a European army is going to pull a D-Day across an ocean controlled by a navy 10x larger than all their forces combined?

                The logistics of d-day and the following weeks were insane, and that was like 75 miles off allied coast protected by the 2 largest navies in the world.

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                  12 hours ago

                  Not what I’m suggesting.

                  I am noting that the US has never had a war with a bordering country that looks and sounds like them.

                  And I’m also pointing out that the US has never had a war with a country that can cripple their agriculture industry, sell off Tbonds and USD and crash their economy, nationalize their strategic assets and patents, and cut off power to the northeast. Then fight a war of attrition for a generation if needed.

                  War has been something that most in the US only watch on Fox News.

                  Finally, if the US did abandon its traditional allies, I suspect those former allies would be looking a lot more friendly with China, who would then be the main beneficiary to capitalize off of the conflict.

                  You do realize that missiles can reach the US yes? And they don’t need to be nuclear? It does not need to be boots on the ground in an organized invasion to cause enormous pain.

                  Do the citizens of the US really think they would be able to watch the world burn around them on Fox News and not feel any impacts?

                  All this for a bloated demented conman who rapes kids. Unreal.