It seems like there is no mechanism to kick a country out like that. What’s more likely is that NATO will be de facto dissolved immediately, but this doesn’t stop allied countries from working together anyway. If the Trump administration thinks that NATO is the only thing holding alliances together, I think they will be uncomfortably surprised.
Personally I think the real decision makers in the Trump administration actually want war, or at the very least don’t care if they get it. We should just cut them off from everything. Make them react. I’m sick of playing the game. Just shit or get off the pot.
I believe the good Americans will overcome. I love seeing pissed off Americans showing up to the fight in increasing numbers. I think too many of them still believe that the midterms are going to save them, or that they can rely on legal or democratic systems that have been systematically undermined.
But I see that the Trump administration does not make any decisions to try and grow their support at all. They are moving too fast and too aggressively, probably because they need to destroy the democratic institutions in less than 2 years, so they are pulling out all the stops. They learned from the first term and they believe they have to move faster but that speed is also working against them, because it doesn’t allow breathing space during which the electorate can be propagandized and during which they can forget. If they move fast their opposition will learn to move fast as well.
Yeah that was the impression I got when I did some mindless chatgpt fiddling. There really is nothing stopping them from creating NATO 2: Cold War Boogaloo, except that it would take more time to set it up than it would for them to simply activate emergency bilateral assistance agreements or things like EU mutual assistance (Article 42(7)).
They would not be obligated under NATO anymore (there is apparently an article in Vienna Convention on international treaties that allows for suspended operation of a multiparty treaty if there is material breach).
In short new defense agreements would be established immediately and in parallel with the formal dissolution of NATO. The US attacking NATO is not like a cool loophole trick that makes the whole world obligated to just surrender… But if they did recreate NATO they couldn’t use the same name, apparently it’s protected.
I had already looked it up about a week ago. So I saved you the effort. And I was being honest about where I got the info, not trying to pretend I’m an expert.
Anyway this is an incredibly fatuous comment. Are you expecting everyone on Lemmy to not research, and just respond with mindless rambling bullshit? Shall we just sit around commenting on how we all don’t know the answer, hoping that an expert will show up? Or are you claiming that only certain types of research are ok? You know LLMs are quite powerful research tools, yeah? They provide links too. It’s really amazing.
It can be used very effectively as a research aid. For example it can be used as an augmented search engine and search aggregator. You have to validate it, like you do with any research.
You still need someone who has skills and/or knowledge. It’s like an enthusiastic junior intern with encyclopedic knowledge.
Let’s not pretend that it isn’t incredibly powerful technology. It is extremely overhyped, but that doesn’t detract from its very real value.
By the way the detractors would be well-advised to figure out how to use it properly and effectively, or they will find themselves being the dinosaurs using calculators, filing cabinets and fax machines when everyone else is using computers, databases and emails.
Super amazing if all the links are real.
Google did just have to remove some query responses from their ai because it was lying about blood tests and giving out unsafe info iirc, so there is that.
Supply chains would be the biggest issue, methinks. Gotta figure out what hardware you need to adopt, maintaining the stuff you already have without American dictation, and so on.
It seems like there is no mechanism to kick a country out like that. What’s more likely is that NATO will be de facto dissolved immediately, but this doesn’t stop allied countries from working together anyway. If the Trump administration thinks that NATO is the only thing holding alliances together, I think they will be uncomfortably surprised.
Personally I think the real decision makers in the Trump administration actually want war, or at the very least don’t care if they get it. We should just cut them off from everything. Make them react. I’m sick of playing the game. Just shit or get off the pot.
If NATO was dissolved, Europe would get rid of all those US bases on European soil (Italy alone has 9 US bases, IIRC). That would be fun.
But still, I wish the US would get rid of Trump instead.
I believe the good Americans will overcome. I love seeing pissed off Americans showing up to the fight in increasing numbers. I think too many of them still believe that the midterms are going to save them, or that they can rely on legal or democratic systems that have been systematically undermined.
But I see that the Trump administration does not make any decisions to try and grow their support at all. They are moving too fast and too aggressively, probably because they need to destroy the democratic institutions in less than 2 years, so they are pulling out all the stops. They learned from the first term and they believe they have to move faster but that speed is also working against them, because it doesn’t allow breathing space during which the electorate can be propagandized and during which they can forget. If they move fast their opposition will learn to move fast as well.
What’s the difference between kicking a country out of NATO vs all the other countries just saying, ok NATO2, same members minus one?
It’s a lot more complex administratively, I guess.
Yeah that was the impression I got when I did some mindless chatgpt fiddling. There really is nothing stopping them from creating NATO 2: Cold War Boogaloo, except that it would take more time to set it up than it would for them to simply activate emergency bilateral assistance agreements or things like EU mutual assistance (Article 42(7)).
They would not be obligated under NATO anymore (there is apparently an article in Vienna Convention on international treaties that allows for suspended operation of a multiparty treaty if there is material breach).
In short new defense agreements would be established immediately and in parallel with the formal dissolution of NATO. The US attacking NATO is not like a cool loophole trick that makes the whole world obligated to just surrender… But if they did recreate NATO they couldn’t use the same name, apparently it’s protected.
Thank’s but we could just ask a chatbot ourselves; we don’t need intermediaries.
I had already looked it up about a week ago. So I saved you the effort. And I was being honest about where I got the info, not trying to pretend I’m an expert.
Anyway this is an incredibly fatuous comment. Are you expecting everyone on Lemmy to not research, and just respond with mindless rambling bullshit? Shall we just sit around commenting on how we all don’t know the answer, hoping that an expert will show up? Or are you claiming that only certain types of research are ok? You know LLMs are quite powerful research tools, yeah? They provide links too. It’s really amazing.
Chatbot isn’t really research though. At best it’s research-adjacent roleplay.
It can be used very effectively as a research aid. For example it can be used as an augmented search engine and search aggregator. You have to validate it, like you do with any research.
You still need someone who has skills and/or knowledge. It’s like an enthusiastic junior intern with encyclopedic knowledge.
Let’s not pretend that it isn’t incredibly powerful technology. It is extremely overhyped, but that doesn’t detract from its very real value.
By the way the detractors would be well-advised to figure out how to use it properly and effectively, or they will find themselves being the dinosaurs using calculators, filing cabinets and fax machines when everyone else is using computers, databases and emails.
Super amazing if all the links are real. Google did just have to remove some query responses from their ai because it was lying about blood tests and giving out unsafe info iirc, so there is that.
Yeah there is a right way to use it just like any other tool or technology.
Seems like a lot of people think research might not be on the “right way” list.
NA2 is right there
Supply chains would be the biggest issue, methinks. Gotta figure out what hardware you need to adopt, maintaining the stuff you already have without American dictation, and so on.