Donald Trump on Monday, January 19 threatened 200% tariffs on French wine and champagne over France’s intentions to decline the US leader’s invitation to join his “board of peace.” The board was originally conceived to oversee the rebuilding of war-torn Gaza, but the charter does not appear to limit its role to the occupied Palestinian territory.
“I’ll put a 200% tariff on his wines and champagnes. And he’ll join. But he doesn’t have to join,” Trump said, referring to French President Emmanuel Macron. A source close to Macron told AFP on Monday that France “does not intend to answer favorably” to the invitation.
The board’s charter “goes beyond the sole framework of Gaza,” the source close to the French president said.
USA as a country is our enemy now, not just the GOP. USA as a country and as a society is an enemy because of the administration they collectively elected and collectively allow to continue.
But obviously Americans that oppose the system are not as much enemies, how much of a dimwit do you have to be to have to have that pointed out?
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USA is de facto our (EU) enemy now, and they are an enemy of democracy and the international law based order.
Every American is part of US society, they work there, live there and have their economy and pay taxes there, and by that they are supporting the American regime even if it is unwilling, and they help funding of the USA military.
This technically goes for even people like AOC and Bernie who I politically support. if people like AOC and Bernie came to power, we would have no problem normalizing relations with USA again, at least for 4 years. Obviously things can never go back to the way they were before, they could obviously become a lot better than they are now. But we can never really trust USA again, when they have such a huge portion of their population that will vote for someone worse than a psychopath, and too thirds either support him or don’t mind having a malignant narcissist for president.
So most definitely this problem is not limited to MAGA or GOP, it’s based in a mental sickness of the American society, where narcissism is seen as an expression of freedom. The US society is sick like when a person is sick with cancer. Not all cells in the body are cancerous, but enough are to make the body terminally ill. And that is how USA is today.
We can’t judge USA by the good and non crazy people in USA, because they are not in power, and they are unable to reign in the insanity that is going on.
Saying we should consider USA based on them too, would be like considering Germany during WW2 on the fact that they also had a Jewish minority. Politically and regarding how Germany behaved that was completely irrelevant. And in the same way the people that try to resist Trump are irrelevant, because they have zero impact on how USA behaves as a country.
But no I don’t judge Americans that voted against Trump, or Americans that are trying to resist. I wish more would do that. Fighting Trump is a worthy fight.
But it seems many Americans find it hard to accept that USA is now an enemy. Not Trump, not MAGA, not GOP. But USA as a country.
Oh, honey… Go touch grass. We aren’t your enemy.
Do you have any semblance of an idea of what it is like to be against Trump and live in the United States right now?
Go ask Renee good’s family, you condescending ignoranus.
“we are not your enemy. But if my government attacks you I won’t do anything because Washington is very far away and I have to work tomorrow”
You are among those that allowed it to come to this. All Americans are responsible for failing to do more, as it is the entirety of American society. Although everybody is not equally responsible of course.
Countries have the governments they deserve
Especially when it’s a democracy, although USA always was a dysfunctional democracy, the people did have the power to prevent Trump.
You know who else was into collective punishment?
Where do I write I’m into collective punishment?
Right here: “USA as a country is our enemy now, not just the GOP. So in that way it is actually all Americans.”
Backpedaling later in your comment doesn’t fix this awful take.
It’s awful yes, but it’s a fact.
USA as a country is an enemy, and technically that means all Americans.
If the sane Americans can change things back to normal in USA, this would end.
But as it is, when USA as a country is an enemy, the population of that country becomes an enemy too. Because it’s the population that allow the government to function as it does.
I hope you understand that this take puts you in the company of tyrants and fascists, including the Nazis. Your hate is no better than their hate.
It’s not hate, I’m just stating an obvious fact, that USA is now an enemy to democracy and the international rule of law, and also to human rights.
How am I a fascist for pointing out a fundamental problem of USA that goes way beyond Trump?
There are good people in USA, but they are still part of a system that has now become our enemy.
Politically I am very much a moderate, and I have to realize that there is absolutely nothing moderate about USA as a country right now. USA isn’t even a real democracy, considering they have only 2 right wing parties. 1 is far right, the other is extreme right.
Would you say the same about all Russians? That all Russians are the enemy and deserve death because their leader Putin is a warmonger?
What? I never said any such thing. But yes of course Russia has been the enemy of EU for a long time, even before invading Ukraine, because they’ve manipulated European politics, something friendly states simply don’t do. Incidentally USA has done the same several times since Trump became President.
Obviously Russia is an enemy since they’ve invaded a peaceful European democracy.
And now USA is threatening the same, threatening to invade Greenland, despite they’ve been allies with Denmark for 85 years. And Denmark has been among the most faithful allies to USA.
But no I am not calling for the death of either all Americans or all Russians, that is hyperbole that is happening in your mind.
Most likely if USA invades Greenland there will be very little to no military response. The response will be very strong economically though, and the threat alone has already almost completely destroyed the NATO alliance. USA is a bigger enemy now than China! Think about it! We trust USA less than we trust China now!
How do you think that will influence support for USA in the future?
But using Russia as a comparative example is pretty spot on, because USA is behaving like Russia now.
False equivalency.
The argument is that Americans seem to be either happy with or passively accepting what their country has become. If they were truly against Trump and MAGA they would all be in the streets participating in a general strike already.
From the outside, it seems that there is very little resistance.
Are your fucking kidding me? We are all passive? Go tell that to Renee Good’s wife and kids. Go tell it to the guy that lost an eye to ICE last week.
Wake the fuck up. And stop fighting Trump and Putin’s battles for them. You’re no better than my MAGA family members with rhetoric like this being shared here on Lemmy.
Never meant that 100% of you are passive, there are obviously ongoing protests, but nowhere near enough people are participating to have any impact.
I think it’s really awful that you’re telling Americans to either get themselves killed by the tyrant or be treated as supporters of the tyrant. Just awful.
Some people are so nationalistic that they cannot fathom the concept of some of us not wanting to die for a country we were born into.
Ironic in this situation, but not when you realize these people are either sewing or repeating propaganda designed to divide those of us that oppose what Trump, Putin and other fascists are attempting to accomplish.
Right. And it’s not like I’m doing nothing about it. I’m not a fighter, I’m a healer. I’m staying in school, enduring a shitty situation in a shitty country so that when the survivors turn up traumatized, I will be there to help them recover. Meanwhile I do what I can to arm my fellow Americans with knowledge of psychological theory - the biases and weaknesses of the human mind, how corporations and governments exploit this knowledge to empower themselves against us, and how we can strengthen our minds to resist them. That’s what I’m about, and I’m not going to let a diaper-shitting pedophile and his plans for world domination turn me into something I’m not.
If you’re so opposed to Trump what are you personally doing to oppose him? I mean other than whinging on social media about him that is.
You Americans act all morally superior towards other people who are stuck living under oppressive dictatorships and expect them to rise up, yet when you’re in the same position you get offended when told you need to do the same.
There is no voting your way out of fascism. The tyrant will have you killed even if you do nothing because he plans on starting a war with everyone else. You might as well go down fighting back.
What an obtuse way to see the situation in the United States. As if you’re using logic derived exclusively from Hollywood movies.
You’re either very ignorant about how things work here, or you’re deliberately trying to encite anger amongst people who should be allied and united against evil.
Either way, I hope you do better in the future. We are all better than diatribe like this.
It’s really not a false equivalency. Fascists and people on the wrong side of history very famously and frequently equate governments with the entire people they govern.
You do you, though.