The decline in the number of births should be seen in connection with the ‘gender divergence’ between increasingly progressive young women and increasingly conservative young men, observes economist Pauline Grosjean in her column.

The number of births has continued to decline in France in 2025. The fertility rate, at 1.56 children per woman, reached its lowest level since 1918. It is true that most of France’s neighbors are faring even worse, and France still holds its – rather relative – status as a champion of birth rates. This decline is a universal and long-term phenomenon, with explanations that have shifted over time.

The initial phase, which has been the most studied, is that of the demographic transition, marked by the shift from a regime of high mortality and fertility to one of low mortality and fertility. France was already an exception, having started its demographic transition in the 18th century, before other countries. Without this early transition, some economists estimate, France’s population would today stand at 250 million.

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    No that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying the wealthy are trying to kill the rest of us off, or at least thin the herd. Though be it on purpose or just through incompetence is the question. It’s not a crazy Theory really.

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      Why wasn’t the lower class included in the statement? If it’s because they’re breeding like rabbits then “it kind of sounds like replacement theory”. I don’t know why that group was omitted but it leaves that interpretation open

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        Because the poor tend to be less educated in ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies. So we see rich people having as many kids as they want, and poor people having a lot of kids, often accidentally, and only the middle class moderating themselves.

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          I dont know whats the situation in france but in finland highly educated (middle class) people have more children than working class people.

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            In the US there are people who you would think we’re literally unfuckable, looks, hygiene and filthy poor and yet they find someone and have 7 kids.

            I’ve seen women and men alike that almost make you want to throw up by looking at them but somehow have a fuckn kid crawling on them.

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              Oh for sure feels like that in Finland too but apparently statistically speaking for every one of those families there’s a bunch of people who never reproduce whereas middle class educated people have 2-3 children pretty consistently.

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      I don’t think they are, because labour and consumption, which brings them money, all go through us and require us. In this case (because God knows evil people have conspired since the dawn of mankind and we all know the character of our leaders, so ofc it wouldn’t be that crazy of an idea), it’s just incompetence, I think, or it’s simply seen as unimportant for globalist capitalists because labour can be outsourced or imported.

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        Well that’s certainly a large part of it. It’s also certainly true that a lot of the wealthy are actually really stupid, don’t think things through, and are easily fooled.

        But I’m not so certain it’s just incompetence, though I’m sure that does play a big part. It’s just hard not to think maybe a little bit of it isn’t planned. When you learn about how project 2025 theorizes that the US population ideally should be 100 million it makes all the cutting health care and cutting food Aid and getting rid of vaccines take on a more Sinister light. And that was planned by the Heritage Foundation who write policy for not only the United States but large portions of the rest of the world too.

        And then you start learning about these AI rationalists. Those whack jobs who think that we’re going to create an AI God who will solve all the world’s problems. And anything standing in the way of the creation of the AI God is inherently evil and any sacrifice to get to that point is worthwhile. There’s a shocking number of techboro billionaires who are of that mindset. Who truly believe that we can get rid of Labor and replace it with robots and AI and they want to do it now. And don’t look now but Peter Thiel is in France right now giving a speech about anybody who wants to regulate AI must be the Antichrist. Could a bunch of tech bro billionaires convince a lot of lazy capitalists that letting a lot of rest of us die is a good idea? Doesn’t seem far-fetched to me.

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            I could find no reference to it. Would be a wild thing for them to include

            Wouldn’t be surprised if that was part of a Stephen Miller-esque plan, but I would be shocked if it was publicly published. Especially in such a foundational document

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              So, it’s just something some people think might be true, like a bogeyman, or there’s some evidence for a statement by an author in the document somewhere?

              Agreed, Miller is mighty messed up but that statement, for now, seems to be coming from nowhere

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          Okay, first of all thank you for all the info you just dropped on me, what a thoughtful, thorough post.

          And yes, perhaps there is something like that in the Western world, specifically America. I didn’t know about the project and the numbers they wanted to reach. Scary. Because they’re not even facetious anymore, they just tell it all, it might just be actioned (and the UK, where I currently reside, often follows America’s example so there’s that…). But the future is uncertain so let’s hope the humanity of the American people will lead them somewhere else, perhaps with some balkanization involved because some ideologies are very geographically entrenched. 🙏