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  • This is great news! Debian is back in contention for me.

    Recently Debian developer Helmut Grohne initiated the Debian development discussion around removing more packages from the unstable archive. He argued in favor of more aggressively removing unmaintained packages from the archive given the QA-related costs, additional work/complexities when dealing with major fundamental changes to Debian, and other non-trivial costs



  • For years I used Debian. Because it worked, but also because Debian looked to me to be the purest and most solid FOSS distro. That is, it’s not run by a for-profit company, and it isn’t a derivative that will go away one day. It looked - still looks - like the “universal” Linux distro, which I believe is even its motto.

    Firstly, is that assessment justified?

    Next: the problem. A few years ago I read a disturbing report about the behind-the-scenes dysfunction at Debian. Specifically:

    • a serious dearth of maintainers
    • lots of very outdated packages with possible untreated security holes
    • silly political wrangling by Debian insiders - one representative allegation was that more time was being spent debating the positioning of a Black Lives Matter logo on the Debian site than on the technical challenges just mentioned

    Possibly this was disinformation by someone with a scurrilous agenda. I want it not to be true because I believe Linux needs a flagship FOSS distro and Debian is the obvious candidate.

    Can anyone set the record straight? Because when I had to do a new install I went with Ubuntu (LTS), and this was partly inspired by the above. I would really like all this to be wrong and to know that Debian is on the right path.




  • Looks great, well done.

    Personally, the deb-related annoyance that I have encountered most often in recent years is that there is an APT repo but I have to jump thru hoops to add it. An example is signal-desktop, where the handy one-click installation goes like this:

    # 1. Install our official public software signing key:
    wget -O- https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc | gpg --dearmor > signal-desktop-keyring.gpg
    cat signal-desktop-keyring.gpg | sudo tee /usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg > /dev/null
    
    # 2. Add our repository to your list of repositories:
    echo 'deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main' |\
      sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial.list
    
    # 3. Update your package database and install Signal:
    sudo apt update && sudo apt install signal-desktop
    

    Why does Debian-Ubuntu not provide a simple command for this? Yes there is add-apt-repository but for some reason it doesn’t deal with keys. I’ve had to deal with this PITA on multiple occasions, what’s up with this?






  • Useful to know, thanks.

    For the record, I once had a bad experience with the Debian installer’s version. That is why I will not be trying Debian again. Installation is a moment of vulnerability, when you don’t have ready access to your data, or the network, and this is one extra factor. IMO it really is non-negotiable for a distro to provide a bulletproof installation experience.


  • To add to the comments, most distros do not offer FDE by default when installing. You have to jump thru hoops. No idea why this is still the case given how many consumer computers are laptops these days, it seems crazy.

    The big exception seems to be PopOS, an Ubuntu derivative which is intended for laptops. FDE by default so it must be pretty easy to get that up and running.

    Ubuntu itself has a solid FDE option on install, too. It sets up the LVM configuration as already described, no expertise needed. And IME works very reliably.


  • Just to offset the predictable groupthink in this thread: Ubuntu is fine. In my experience it is rock solid and has been for years. Doubly true for the LTS versions. Yes there there is the slightly troublesome issue of Snaps and the even smaller one of self-advertising. But IME the installer is very solid and that is a crucially important issue for prospective normie users. Ubuntu is still a flagship distro and IMO it now deserves more love than it is getting.