Yuuuup. The state and capitalists collude against the working class. Neither one nor the other can ever be trusted to put the interests of workers first, though they will each make empty promises to do so. Then they will privilege the ruling class every time.

I despise that I have to use this OS at work. I would never run windows on my own computer again. Its just insanity. Next they’ll require a credit card to make a Microsoft account.

Of course she deserved better treatment. So did Sophie Scholl. It’s just very odd to act like this is not a believable thing that Israel, famed mass murderers of children, would do.

Israel hasn’t devolved, the state was founded on acts of colonialist genocide. This is what the state of Israel has always been.

Where did i say it was okay? It is abhorrent. I said that if they were going to invent a story about her graphic torture, this abuse is comparatively minor compared with other accounts from Israeli prisons.

Idk why this is treated as though its so inconceivable. Greta is hated by conservatives around the world. Most countries have already condemned Israel. They only care what Trump’s regime thinks. Their prisons are notorious centers of physical emotional and sexual torture. This is relatively mild treatment in comparison to many of the accounts I’ve read. It’s still awful, but if they were going to invent a story about how vile the Israeli prison guards were, this wouldnt be noteworthy in any way. Barely even scratches the surface of the things that happen in those prisons.

Makes sense. Crazy what they can get away with.

Not directly related to post but. The steam sale prices are honestly ridiculous. Barely even discounted. Like 30% off games that are over 5 years old.

I agree that collective action is our strongest pressure against them and it does work.

I do not think a boycott itself is likely to reverse Apple’s removal of the app. I also think it makes more sense for the app to become available from a web browser, or some other avenue that circumvents the need for Apple’s approval in the first place.

I also believe that collective action in this circumstance is better spent on ICE itself, which would be more effective (its the reason the US government wants Apple to remove the app in the first place) and more direct to fascist power.

I’m not sure why you’re taking such an aggressive / dismissive tone towards me. Did your comment really warrant a breakdown of possible forms of collective action? It never really seemed you were interested in a nuanced discussion in the first place.

I think collective action in this circumstance is better spent on directly obstructing ICE operations. The developers of the app would be better served by making their project accessible in browser, and self hosted so as to prevent further attempts to make it inaccessible. Group collective action should be focused on demonstration and obstruction of the root of the problem, ICE itself. How you go about the depends a lot on when/where but there are a lot of ways to obstruct their operations.

Ive never personally spent money on any kind of Apple device. I would certainly encourage others not to as well, a thing I was already doing. But I think focusing on Apple as the root problem here is a mistake in the first place.

There are a lot of other ways to apply pressure besides boycotts.

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I dont understand why recommending other forms of collective action makes me cynical.

I wasnt gatekeeping it. Just pointing out how ultimately ineffective it is in creating meaningful change.

Can you show me where I said to do nothing? Or is boycotting the only form of collective action you’re aware of?

Yes, as opposed to spending money at another capitalist institution that will inevitably do the same thing, which is somehow not a subservient take.

There are a lot of other ways to apply pressure besides boycotts. I dont think a boycott would ever work against Apple over this.

Jimmy Kimmel made Disney a lot of money. They had to choose between pressure from the US government, and losing a popular source of revenue along with the vast amount of liberals who swore them off. Jimmy Kimmel was not a real institutional threat to the US government. So the US government did not have a very strong incentive to continuously push for him being taken down, and Disney had a lot of incentive to keep him around.

An app that targets fascists makes Apple no money. The US government faces the loss (or rendering ineffective) of their fascist police force. Both sides therefore face a huge amount of pressure to have the app taken down. It would have to be a gigantic part of their profit margin to warrant any pushback from Apple. I’d be very, very surprised to hear that this change is ever overturned through a boycott.

Do you really think this situation is comparable in any way to Jimmy Kimmel? I really don’t. Even if it were, nowhere near that many Apple customers care whether or not the app that targets fascist militias is on the app store or not.

Oh we are way passed the point where “voting with your dollar” means literally anything. These billionaires are making more money than they ever have in human history. They have literally turned all of society across large swaths of the world into a gigantic personal capital generator. It makes literally not a single difference if all of us here boycotted them or not. It’s meaningless.

I have no clue where Facebook marketplace servers are. That has never been relevant to me. Kijiji is a popular online marketplace in Canada, and it let’s you pick location or have it choose automatically based on your location.

This may be a simple matter of European marketplaces and North American ones having fundamentally different approaches.

Copyright is mind numbingly stupid.

Cw: non-specific discussion of CSA, discussion of dismissal of victims and mental illness

Its worth noting that nothing they demand would help children in any way. Child abuse overwhelmingly happens at home, from family members. To protect more children from abuse the entire system needs to be restructured to actually prioritize child welfare. Better funded better educated households generally correlate with better outcomes for children. I mean abusive parents exist no matter household income of course, but a lot of child abuse and neglect is correlated with parents and family members who are stressed, mentally unwell and struggling to make ends meet. If child and family welfare was actually a priority in any way they would be funding social services and social assistance, as well as ensuring that good public services exist to support people and ensure good, and free, access to mental health care. They don’t do any of these things.

In the context of CSA specifically, believing children who come forward would be a good start. I’ve met a lot of people who weren’t believed when they came forward. Who’s family members actually protected their abusers and consistently dismissed that the abuse was happening at all, even when parts of it were happening in plain sight. Another crucial and extremely important part would be properly educating children about abuse. In order to know that youre being abused you have to understand what is happening to you. Comprehensive and early sex education gives children the language and understanding to explain what’s happening to them. It is legitimately proven to be correlated, poorer sex education correlates with higher rates of abuse and lower reporting.

Republicans oppose both of those things. They actually apply disgusting levels of dismissal to all victims of sexual abuse, child or adult. They entirely dismiss that adult female predators exist and that boys can and do fall victim to them. They treat the whole concept of CSA as something that happens in dark alleys, far away from god fearing nuclear families. But the reality is that sexual abuse in the majority of circumstances happens at home with people who are well known to the victim. Republicans are entirely unconcerned with those victims though, and are only interested in the ones they can exploit to further their white supremacist agenda. Hence they are very likely to dismiss victims of CSA by saying that theyre lying, especially if the perpetrators are politically useful to them.

They also oppose sex education of any kind. Its sickening honestly. They are aware of how important it is. They do not care if more children will suffer silently because of this decision. They’re at best indifferent and at worst see this as a benefit of the policy.

Given all that I stated above, you can see that attacking migrants doesnt do anything to protect child welfare. Nor does attacking queer people. Nor does vigilante style pedophile catchers. Policy change and systemic restructuring is what would help children. Caring about their welfare would help them. Republicans just know that “protect the children” can give them cart blanche to do whatever they want to whoever they want.