Pika

As someone who went through the 12-13 upgrade last week. Do not go directly. I had to rollback twice during the 12-13 upgrade(thank you timeshift) so I couldn’t imagine trying to run an 11-13 upgrade.

I do the same thing at mcdonalds. “Will you be using myrewards today?”. It doesn’t matter what you say it won’t help you get your order done any faster

I believe I tried that as well, but I’ll try it again when I have the chance just in case.

You just answered my question. I was going to ask you earlier and then forgot to hit send. Because I thought plasma actually looked really slick, so I was going to recommend it. Especially with how customizable it is.

The biggest annoyance that was to get used to was the change in overall size of the menu bars, but once you’ve been using Linux for a week or two, it actually hurts your eyes going back onto Windows again.

Of course, your metrics may vary because every person’s situation is different, but I went through my associates and my bachelor’s CIS degree with very minor issues issues., Many colleges will state that it requires windows for the course, but then you’re able to use something like LibreOffice just fine. Like technically, the only course that I ever had to actually use windows for was my Microsoft Office course and that’s self-explanatory of why I needed Windows for that lol

I did try GameScope as well. It launched with it, however, I wasn’t able to actually interact with it(nor was any of the text easily decipherable), but it was my first time trying to use GameScope as well, so I don’t know if I just screwed something up with it, or if it wasn’t compatible. Other games were able to run with the same setup using it, so I figured it just wasn’t compatible.

If it is a system file issue, I’m not sure what it would be because I’ve already tried nuking out the wine and proton versions and reinstalling them and that had zero luck. And I have similar issues between lutris and steam in terms of it as well, and those should use completely separate paths

Thank you for your assistance regardless. And yes, I have noticed indie games ironically do tend to function a lot better than AAA titles, I do play quite a few indie games as well.

I prefer simulation style games but it defo isn’t a hard lock to the genre… I fell into the money trap that is humble bundle choice and every month I end up getting another 7 or 8 games which is why they add up fast, and I accumulate faster than I can play lol. I’ve never been very good at sticking to one game and playing it for an extended period of time.

Also, if you do end up playing Star Citizen again, definitely use the custom wine runner their LUG forum has, it’s one of the few that let’s it through EAC, But where it says to have 32 gigs of native ram, and 8 gigs of swap, definitely bump that up to like 15 gigs minimum of swap because it’s rough and was bottlenecking still at 32 native with 10 gb of SWAP. it’s still laggy as heck, but at least it will be somewhat playable.

anyway thanks again lol happy gaming!

I’m sorry, but you’re misreading what they mean by support in that article because I did read it. They’re still gonna give support regarding the ESU program as a whole(otherwise they would be sued for fraud), which includes installation, activation, and regressions of the program. What they’re not going to be providing is general technical support which is a different beast, If you would like more information, you can read about it here as well.

It’s a different system if I understand the article correctly. It looks like its just a Microsoft account not a one drive sub. I’m expecting they are just going to only allow 10 computers per account and then when it hits max it stops getting support on new systems (since updates are involved I doubt they will let you remove devices like with the current activation system). Now I do expect that the payment is the same system, and considering their dark tactics at trying to get you to subscribe and update, I do assume this is going to make it easier to accidentally spend money or subscribe to other services though.

Honestly I firmly agree with this. If it doesn’t work with wine nowadays unless it’s a big thing i just don’t involve myself with it.

LOL That’s literally a classic window bug. Try borderless-windowed. You’re welcome!

this doesn’t work sadly, I tried it already. it’s not the act of tabbing out that causes it, it’s the fact the window loses focus which is still done with borderless

You should probably try this again

I tried The isle 2 weeks ago but i guess I’ll try giving it another shot

Lol I literally play this one on linux, and no, it works 100% without any issues or bugs.

I don’t know what to tell you here. The phas proton db page for it is filled with others having the issue. Mic works in game, spirit box requires text mode, and no communication in lobby. I have tried GE 9-20, experimental, latest and bleeding edge, the issue remained. I have been waiting for another major update to hopefully address it. (I forgot to add, i have tried the launch option solution as well)

edit: made the parts I was referencing more clear cause full chain doesn’t show in notices.

sorry yea, I was moreso curious if you had seen a version that tended to work better than others so I didn’t include them!

Currently my main grievances is phasmaphobia which doesn’t let you talk in lobby, the spirit box is broken and campground maps have massive artifacting.

The Isle, which can’t play at night due to the sky being a rave

FF XIV which won’t pass the main launcher outside of a distro box (which currently works but bugs me)

Death stranding which hard freezes around BT’s

and Ark SE, which I personally hate the studio but, my friends still play so not having to wait 30+ minutes to enter a modded server would be /amazing/ lol

And star citizen which runs almost flawlessly on Windows with no lag, but crashes to a crawl on my main OS.

I have researched into these games quite extensively to try to find solutions and failed but if you have any ideas of what might be causing it, I’m all ears, or like before if you have any suggestions for versions that seem to work better I can default to those to maybe remove some troubleshooting time in the future.

10 games that /launched/ on linux. there is a difference. It was for sure not 10 games that ran the same as if in a windows enviroment. For example one of those games in that critera you can’t tab out of it or it hard crashes. (Safecracker if you were curious)

Another one of those games was “The Isle” which has a raving disco ball sky during the night time.

Then theres phas… which while it functions the mic support is iffy cant work in lobby and night vision video is broken

Of the popular titles, of what I tried was probably Phas, Death Stranding (random crashes when the BT’s show), Sniper Elite 3 (overall laggy), Ark SE (not surprising but it has massive pre-game queueing if the server is modded so it takes 20-30 minutes to enter a modded server), Genshin Impact (controller issue on my main OS so i need to run it on my Arch distrobox) and FF XIV which launcher crashes unless I run it in a distrobox, and has weird audio issues.

Currently I have proton GE 9-7 as my default for steam(with the hope that it works), and when that fails I swap to proton 9-0-4 or experimental, but I have GE 10-10 and 10-4 installed but they currently aren’t on any games as I haven’t got any games to seem to want to run with them.

Then on lutris main I’m using a custom runner for one of my games because it needs to get around EAC since standard support is iffy, but I default to Wine 10 for it as they state proton shouldn’t be used on non-steam. However I do have Lutris-GE-8-26 installed but it only ever worked right on one of the games.

Then for lutris on my distrobox Arch container(because FF XIV and Genshin launchers & controller support break for some reason otherwise) I use Wine-ge-8-26 which is a coinflip of if it lets me launch or crashes which makes me suspect that theres a race condition somewhere.

I haven’t had good experiences with GE which is why I was hoping you might have some recommendations on a /stable/ version if you can call GE stable lol

it will be a slight downgrade, but they do have a Minecraft bedrock wrapper program that uses the Android version of Minecraft, so technically Pocket Edition, and that’s probably the easiest currently at getting that version of Minecraft to run on Linux.

I have multiple versions of proton installed currently. However, I’ve mostly given up on the glorious egg rolls because they seem to have caused more issues than they are worth. But if you have a specific version that you’ve found is easier to use and not as annoying, I’m up for suggestions.

Once my system loads, I’ll tell you what versions I’ve tried and which ones I’ve had issues with.

I’m parroting old talking points because those talking points still exist. They existed in 2022. They existed in 2012 when I started, and they still exist today August 2025.

I said I agree that wines gotten better, but I’m sick and tired of people thinking that it’s some sort of magical unicorn that can just resolve all the inner communication issues with Windows & Linux.

In the last 2 months alone I have had several games that have failed to launch completely. at least 10 games that have required me using a specific proton version. One game that required me to install a custom wine runner that’s specifically configured for the game to function, a handful of software incompatibilities, The most annoying of which being the software that is supposed to make my headset compatible with the computer, which required me due to the fact it’s not compatible with wine, to have to make my own audio profile to split the two mixes it has, and I’m currently working on a custom user interface for it to allow me to actually change the settings on the headset.

All of these examples are completely ignoring the reason that you provided of companies not wanting to support it. It’s just the support doesn’t exist in the current wine infrastructure. If we’re including the games that are using kernel level AC or disabling the usage on Linux, that list becomes bigger.

hatred against Microsoft aside, this change doesn’t surprise me. With forcing an account, it allows them to tie your support subscription directly to an account instead of having it be a product key, which is annoying for both the user and the agent in trying to validate whether or not it’s in support or not.

Like, I hate the mentality of needing to use Microsoft services to use a Microsoft system, but this is one of their decisions that I can somewhat understand, it makes it far easier for subscription based setups.

I just wanted to chime in that there’s far more reasons that your software doesn’t work on Linux than just the developer saying no.

Basically, if your game or software has to interface with anything at the driver level, such as a keyboard or a headset configuration software, or anything that needs to access complete system access such as kernel level access or being able to see processes outside of the wine environment. It’s going to be incompatible. This is by design for system security and is unlikely to change on official releases any time soon.

Additionally, if the game requires any type of integration into basically anything Microsoft, so be it the Microsoft account services, the authentication token services, multiplayer services, applications on the MS store etc, it’s going to be a no go as they have yet to make a decent translation layer for those systems. Being said with the push for demand of Game Pass on PC, there are people working on those projects, but I haven’t personally seen anything that had decent progress.

I have to hard disagree with the statement that it’s a myth. Yes, many games will work with minor tinkering. However, We are still a long way from having something that is just a click play and it works style system and it’s not usually from developer choices (outside of choosing not to make a Linux distributable)

Being said, it has gone a long way since I started using Linux back with Mint Maya. ProtonDB is an excellent resource to find known workarounds when it breaks, But you definitely should not go into any Linux system expecting it to “just work™”