Omg such a waste of time that could have been spent scrolling through memes instead of trying to do the right thing.

Outside the US sure, that was my point.

In the States there’s a mass shooting every Tuesday.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cloud-2-butt-plus/

Would have worked a charm for this particular article

As a rule of thumb people stop to mass murder other people, without guns. With extremely rare exceptions, we don’t have that shit outside of the US and our schools are not shooting ranges.

The other two things you wrote are not reasons, they are a) a slogan that you could put on a 12 years old t shirt and b) something someone who is having a heart attack might say

Is that really a valid counter argument though? We could say most computer users use windows, doesn’t necessarily make it a better os choice.

Yes the community has decided, fair enough, op has already said let’s move on. People that have been around for a bit longer than most here and have seen and used Linux from the very beginning are still entitled to an opinion.

In fairness reading this thread all I see is systemd good

Why: i find sysvinit start up scripts too complicated to read/modify so let’s drop this gigantic mammoth that does a million other things on my lunux system so I don’t gave to learn how to write a shell script.

I don’t have much skin in the game and have been out of the loop for many years but don’t find many of the arguments in favour of systemd very convincing

Not really involved with Linux for the past 15 years so don’t know the ins and outs of the systemd saga butyour debunking is not as convincing as you make it sound. I do run a system at home that when all goes well I don’t need to login to or do troubleshootingfor months. (Ie. Movies and shows download fine, homeassistant works). I stumbled upon systemd a while ago when I had to google how to fucking find and look at some logs on my Ubuntu system. Wtf have been a sysadmin professionally for years until a decade ago. Never seen something changing like that, but I digress as for your points.

Being able to query logs like a database sounds appealing dont take me wrong. But If I am interested I will install splunk, graylog or whatever kids use these days, I don’t need a core component to make a major structural change (logging on Unix is expected to be in plain text, most tools on a Unix systems do some sort of manipulation of log files, and i expect to use cat, grep and tail to work on my logs). The fact that I can opt out is a minor consolation. Also if I want my logs not to be tampered with, I’ll look into how to do that with dedicated tools and technology. On most systems that’s not a concern, why would you even consider that something appealing?

As for sysvinit scripts pain, I hear you buy a) I am pretty sure most script I have written/modified were tens of lines of code, not hundreds, hardly an impossible task to deal with. And b) that’s not something your average user needs to do every day (or decade). Most likely a sysvinit script would be implemented once in the lifetime of a particular project by the developer themselves, or by a package maintainer. If the solution to such a big problem is to have millions of lines of compiled code (that’s news to me, I’ll trust you on that number) it makes me wonder even more.

Are you sure all the counterarguments are really just bizarre nostalgia and easily debunked? I haven’t even read much about it and even when people like you try to sell how good systemd is, it looks to me like the solution we didn’t ask for a problem we didn’t have.

And the Web interface will be that of PeopleSoft!

Done it a few months ago but then again if I was working at reddit and in charge of preparing the dataset to feed to the llm, I’d give it access to both a recent one and a snapshot from before July 2023 (or whenever shit hit the fan and we all came to lemmy), most edits would have been made in protest. And AI can figure out which ones by itself

Username checks out

You just did that yourself lol

I’ve used them for a very long time, maybe a decade if they have been around that long, could be a bit less. I’ve seen them referred to as the *arr suite/software many times. I didn’t know there was a joke to get until you pointed it out, I’m still facepalming.

So you are not the last one.

In my defence, I’m not a native speaker, but still…