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Cake day: June 11th, 2023

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  • I guess to be fair, Kagi does have two different AI components. They have their Kagi Assistant which is your bog standard AI chat interface, which does cost extra and is displayed in the details page you are talking about.

    But they also have Quick Answer which is like the google AI overview that appears when you make a search. It will summarize the results for you. It auto triggers when you end your search with a ? or if you click the Quick Answer button. It can be disabled. However it does not get charged extra for, it is part of your subscription.

    So its kind of both.


  • That would only be if they charged you more on top of your subscription for the AI usage. If they send part of your sub to the AI company, and don’t reduce your usage of their non AI features, then really it’s just other people not using AI who are subsidizing the chunk kagi lost to the AI company.

    If it were truly fungible they wouldn’t be providing subscriptions and it would all be usage based. Subscriptions just allow the users that don’t search as often to subsidize the power users, making Kagi come out ahead overall.








  • AI is Evil -> Irresponsible AI use is Evil AI destroys the environment -> Irresponsible AI use is destroying the environment

    All it really takes imo is a small adjustment of words to change your stance from looking like zealotry to actual concern for the issues. I also think these sidetracks are important, to be fair. Otherwise we wouldn’t have had this conversation to deepen our understanding of the issues.

    I would be more than willing to agree if the message was “Frontier AI labs are causing massive harm to the environment by facilitating irresponsible use of AI” rather than “AI is evil, fuck you for using it” (not saying those are your words, just getting my point across lol)



  • He doesn’t care for misguided opinions not backed with anything but emotion. The people he is talking about don’t actually look into the issues and fight those, their mind is set that AI is evil and you are too for any usage of it, without actually understanding anything about the situation.

    There are situations where using AI uses less power than traditional methods, there are situations where the power is clean, hell there are even models getting made that don’t use stolen data. Some people use it more responsibly (use tiny models where possible) while some toss everything at whatever new Fable or Opus is available.

    There are levels of AI usage and their blanket statements with no understanding are annoying because it alienates the people that are responsible with their usage.