I don’t think them saying this has much to do with liking Altman. Rather, I think they are raging at Gizmodo (because well, Gizmodo) and also at the headline of an article they didn’t read.

Win a car that may be will be spying on you (don’t worry, no one will ever win the million dollars).

You should probably look up the arrest records of civil rights activists and give a good hard think about whether or not you’re willing to be the problem in order to enact a solution because we will not prevail on this in the long run without taking some blows.

This countries government has already proven time and again that they will literally kill people who have done nothing wrong in order to get what they want.

People really do believe that they can fight fascism by just avoiding anything that might get them in trouble.

So I’m going to point out that people have already been harassed, arrested, injured, and killed by law enforcement for protesting in other ways too in this country and historically that has also happened.

A demonstration of why a law being enacted (that uses freely /publicly available information) should not be considered a form of harassment.

Further, if it is then it can be argued in a court of law that if it counts as harassment then the law shouldn’t enable it to be more effective which is the point.

Calling, emailing, and writing to elected officials isn’t harassment, and explaining the very real dangers of the lack of privacy laws and the results of the lack also isn’t by itself harassment. But if you will avoid a protest because you feel there may be reprisals against you for it then you’re very unlikely to be protesting in the first place. They have already won in this scenario.

I don’t think you understand what I’m suggesting.

Sending someone a “This is publically available information readily available on the internet that can and will be abused by people once this bill goes through in conjunction with the type of data that will be leaked from said data collection for ID efforts and it’s already dangerous now” isn’t the same as sending federal judges anonymous pizza. One is a well understood threat, the other is a demonstration from a constituent reaching out to an elected official.

I’m not saying anonymously threaten them.

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2044718576485953536/vid/avc1/996x2160/hyLmEHaGr6DltAA6.mp4

Apparently it’s already exposing sensitive user data and can be bypassed.

Start looking up freely available information about them on the internet and sending that to them. At some point they will start to recognize that privacy is important.

Are the lower prices in the room with us right now?

And did the stores lower their prices?

Think about the people you willingly surround yourself with. Then think about how often they agree with the things you think and say.

As the saying goes “I’m sure there’s someone out there who believes the exact opposite of everything I believe, and while I’m sure they aren’t a complete idiot…”

Everyone is susceptible to the feedback loop. Everyone can fall victim to the seduction of an echo chamber. While not everyone would ignore the red flag that this thing is a machine/digital algorithm rather than a person or sentient/sapient being, it’s not really that hard to see how we got here. Echo chambers exist all over the internet. The difference is that most of them have some voices of dissent. The AI LLM doesn’t offer that. They keep trying to add it in but it’s basically antithetical to the design.

When you add that to the fact that making it addictive benefits their bottom line is pretty obvious that they are trying to walk the line between being regulated by the government and making their product as popular as possible.

I don’t think they really knew it would have this exact effect. But I do think they plan to take advantage of it now that they know and I don’t think we humans are all going to be able to fight the temptation of an automated propaganda machine.

This is especially because mental health and healthcare in this country has been failing for decades, and even people who “don’t have mental health problems” aren’t magically mentally healthy, they just don’t know the status of their mental health. A whole lot of people in the US especially are mentally ill or facing neurological medical problems that they don’t know about.

I thought of the one app India was trying to force all phones sold in the country to have. That one was also tracking locations.

It was already a no from me, dawg, you don’t have to convince me.

No, but seriously. Everything he tries to implement is like 90’S cartoon level evil and sloppy. I bet we could get him monologuing.

I wonder if that dumb ass has downloaded his own app and let a third party track the POTUS in real time. I almost feel sorry for the agents assigned to his security detail.

So, for the “it’s the parents fault” bit I’ll say this. Parents are the arbiters of Internet access in their homes. If that van with “Free Candy” written on it pulled into their driveway and they didn’t call the police or warn their children not to get in the van, yes I would consider them liable.

The fact is, lots of parents do know their children are using social media like Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok etc. A lot of parents are my age and younger (the age where we grew up with the internet and social media in its toddler years if not it’s infancy). A lot of us do know the dangers (and are probably addicted ourselves).

What some of us may lack is the knowledge to use parental controls effectively (and at least some of that is because we do dumb shit like using the same password for everything, or not changing default passwords).

But I also think that some of us (looking at you collective shout and other organizations like it) just want to offload our responsibilities onto these companies so we have someone to blame.

And even though I agree that what these companies are doing is wrong (directly targeting minors, deliberately making their platforms addictive, collecting data on minors etc), and I want them held accountable, I also don’t think ID collection is warranted, and I view this as a way to violate privacy and collect data for surveillance purposes which I believe is wrong to do to people who haven’t done anything illegal.

Even if that weren’t the case, these companies also just cannot be trusted to safeguard the PII data they’re wanting to collect. So as far as I’m concerned the ID verification thing is just not going to work.

I absolutely agree that parents do play a role and have some responsibilities for both their and their childrens internet literacy, as well as for what their children access on the internet. I also agree that companies bear some responsibility (for making their platforms addictive on purpose in order to make money off of people they already know are underaged).

I just really want to put forth other ideas for fixing this problem that don’t involve companies being forced by law to enact ID verification when they can’t be trusted to safeguard such information and it feeds into the information database they already have, which will more than likely be used to violate the privacy of their users.

If the government absolutely must get involved making it illegal to produce and give access to a platform found to be addictive would be a start, but so would media and internet literacy education, both of which are solutions that don’t violate the privacy of minors or adults.

Digital media literacy is part of the education system in Denmark and some other European countries and it’s been beneficial to their populace. I think it could be a good solution.

The harm doesn’t come from the aspects of infinite scroll, auto play, or algorithmic examples in a vacuum.

But we have statistically proven that when you gamify the system and the content can be considered harmful to consume too much of, those two factors are what makes it dangerous.

Tricking the brain into doing something harmful to itself by gamification is the problem. The algorithm, auto play and infinite scroll are just mechanisms to facilitate that. Novelty only plays a small part in that. The algorithm by itself doesn’t provide a dopamine hit. The infinite scroll by itself doesn’t provide a dopamine hit. The auto play feature by itself doesn’t cause a dopamine hit.

Even when you combine all three the dopamine hit won’t come if the content being pushed isn’t sufficient to cause a rush of dopamine. And that dopamine rush often comes from things like upvotes and downvotes, and badges, and achievements. Follower counts and other metrics that the individual users use to get dopamine are being weaponized against them to make money. And it was intentional on the part of meta execs.

I have a question. What if it’s not just at a parenting level. What if it’s also at a school in level? Because I think at least partially there is a disconnect between media and internet literacy and people of all ages including children and parents.

I think we’re going to need such skills going forward and that there exist places in the world where students are being taught such things and are benefiting from them significantly.

Yet the immediate knee jerk reactions seem to be blame the parents and blame the companies that facilitate the access to the content.

It doesn’t have to be a parents by themselves against the world system. But it also can’t just be a “companies protecting the children” system because that’s not what companies do or are for? The need to maintain a profit margin flies directly in the face of the aim to hold companies responsible and the laws seem to be intent on capping the monetary consequences of a breach of the law.

I do feel that the least a parent should be required to do before complaining to a governing body that they find someone else is “harming” their child is to show that they have done their due diligence to protect said child. We punish parents for willful negligence and child endangerment all the time. I don’t understand why this is different but I also wonder if there are other options for educating both children and adults that could help the situation significantly.

And we took up arms because they can pry my cat videos from my cold dead hands?

While I agree that your situation isn’t an edge case (I found dads locked porn collection of VHS tapes and learned that that lock could be circumvented with a fridge magnet) at the age of 9?

But on the other hand, let’s say you post something to the internet that may be considered not okay for children. And let’s say that thing is about gun powder (which you absolutely can make from foraging natural ingredients). It’s your personal website, it’s labeled as not intended for children and you aren’t a big company so you don’t have the ability to just hire another company for things like age verification.

Then you get sued by a regulatory body in another country because you didn’t adhere to their laws? Does that sound reasonable to you?

If a parent or guardian is taking every precaution to keep their kid safe that is reasonable within the law and that kid still gains access to something that can harm them that’s an accident. If the parent takes no precautions and allows their child that they are legally responsible for the well being and safety of to raw dog life with no precautions whatsoever because that’s too hard, or they don’t care or whatever, then it seems reasonable to me that they be held responsible under the law.

Their right to have a third party protect their children ends at my right to privacy which to me extends to my right to anonymity specifically because it has already been shown that without anonymity privacy just doesn’t exist in this age of the internet.

What does that mean? It means that companies that collect your data but promise “privacy” cannot be trusted to uphold that promise, which means the only option left is to be as anonymous as possible.

I want you to understand that I do agree that when one kid figures out the loophole, that loophole spreads like wild fire.

But on the other hand, if a child figured out how to turn off the security system to the family car, grabbed the keys and went for a joyride with their friends, is it the fault of the parents or the fault of the car manufacturer? Because one of them is legally liable under the law.

Would it be acceptable to have to send your thumbprint to BMW every time you wanted to drive your car?

I did not understand. I’ll see myself out.