your claim was “that’s not a fuckin thing in the least”, so if they exist even in “weird places”, your claim was wrong.

i have definitely seen proton fanboys.

The end of my usage was about one year ago. I’d tried several other clients in the years prior (Fractal, Nheko, Mirage, and some others I forgot the names of) but all of them had their own major issues, severe enough to eventually drive me back to Element

It’s certainly possible the ecosystem has matured somewhat since then, but I would be skeptical because I think the root of the problem was not that these projects were too young, but that the protocol was too complex for anyone to implement properly, much like the web

I like this meme because both it and the original are true.

speaking as a former matrix user and fan, I hate it because:

• the protocol is absurdly complex and bloated
• despite the promises of an open standard making interoperable clients possible, Element is the only client that supports most of the features in my experience, and it has constant bugs.
• It’s also slow and has some really annoying interface design issues, like not being able to adjust the width of the sidebar to where I want it (to be fair, many other messengers, like Signal, also have this problem)
• I had several experiences inviting someone to become a new Matrix user and having to immediately tell them that I couldn’t decrypt their messages and the first 3 things we tried to resolve it didn’t work. Made me feel like an ass for inviting them
• It has many security flaws (for example, all sorts of metadata and even some kinds of message content, like emoji reactions, are unencrypted)
• The whole “verify your device” nag thing is incredibly annoying and when I try to actually do it, it has almost never worked for me.

Overall, I view it much like I do XMPP. it takes basically the same approach to everything and has all of the same downsides, except E2EE is easier to get working I guess

just tradition. same reason everyone still uses a lotta shitty things