cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/37134271

In this text I want to analyze the relationship of fascism and what is called “AI” these days. Is this “technology” that keeps being used to reshape the world around us (for better or worse but dominantly worse) in some way connected to fascism? Or is it just something fascists like to use? Is it neutral?

  • ExtremeDullard@piefed.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    edit-2
    6 days ago

    AI is a pure product of fascism.

    AI is built on massive data theft and mass surveillance, which can only happen with gigantic monopolistic Big Data corporations that have the wherewithal to carry out the theft and buy themselves the right politicians to do so in total impunity, or make themselves the indispensable partners of the fascist regime.

    That’s the definition of fascism: state and private enterprise in cahoots.

    And now AI is turning into a tool to repress the population and keep the regime in power.

    • FizzyOrange@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      5 days ago

      AI is built on massive data theft

      Where are all the “copyright infringment isn’t theft” people now lol…

      • ExtremeDullard@piefed.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        5 days ago

        Appropriating the cultural and scientific heritage of humanity - even when it’s free - and reselling it in the form of a LLM is also theft.

        • FizzyOrange@programming.dev
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          5 days ago

          Clearly not, because people still have their culture and heritage. Theft requires taking something so that the victim no longer has it.

          At least that was the dubious moral justification of pirates back in the day. (Not saying I don’t pirate, I just never justified it through word games.)

    • VibeSurgeon@piefed.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      6 days ago

      the theft

      Copyright is a fascist concept if anything tbh. I get that people dislike AI but can we stop pretending copyright has any legitimacy whatsoever

      • kibiz0r@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        6 days ago

        There was a theft, it just wasn’t intellectual property. It was a theft of the commons.

        The law locks up the man or woman
        Who steals the goose from off the common
        But leaves the greater villain loose
        Who steals the common from the goose.

        The law demands that we atone
        When we take things we do not own
        But leaves the lords and ladies fine
        Who take things that are yours and mine.

        The poor and wretched don’t escape
        If they conspire the law to break;
        This must be so but they endure
        Those who conspire to make the law.

        The law locks up the man or woman
        Who steals the goose from off the common
        And geese will still a common lack
        Till they go and steal it back

      • cosmos8188@leminal.space
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        6 days ago

        Its really strange when right-wing concepts get lumped in as to attack AI. It really seems counterintuitive.

      • magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        5 days ago

        Until those who use LLMs are compelled to use copyleft licenses due to the use of copylefted materials in training data, I don’t wanna hear it.

        They took a tool that allowed us to fight Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, and fucking broke it.

        This does not help free/libre software or creative commons works.

    • terabyterex@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      6 days ago

      not quite. the frontier models get the most press but free open source local models are good. its where the future is and these big companies know it. its why they are trying to have them banned.

      also, in the us, we indeed experiencing facism but what you stated is not the definition of facism. infact, state controlled enterprise is socialism

      Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

      • nforminvasion@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        6 days ago

        Mussolini LITERALLY said that fascism could be corporatism because the state and corporations become one.

        • terabyterex@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          5 days ago

          its interesting you care what Mussolini says, i dont. i did post the merrism-webster definition. its pretty straight forward.

          • ExtremeDullard@piefed.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 days ago

            That’s the problem with most people these day: they have an opinion on everything but know fuck-all about anything because education takes time off watching TV.

        • Magiilaro@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          5 days ago

          One could argument that Mussolini as the inventor of the word fascism knows best what he wanted to say with it, but at the same time do words and meanings change with time so… Complicated

          Why Mussolini said it comes from it’s roots as a leftish political orientation and is quite good explained by reading the whole Wikipedia article to this topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism