Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.
The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.
But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.
The article seems to say very little about the 4 people. What it does say is pretty light on facts about what they were involved in. Were they vistors? Students? Do they live in Germany? Do they work there? Have families there? Some factual context would be nice. And how/when were they arrested?
Context for all the people who think this is some illegal bs: The group of protesters invaded a campus building, threatened staff, destroyed IT equipment, vandalised entire rooms and sprayed a hamas symbol on a wall
Yeah no let’s tolerate this <3
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Nope…I can only handle one Western country going down the batshit stupidity rabbit hole at a time.
If you need more proof the lemmy world admins are utter pieces of shit, notice how the genocide denialism is still on while dissenting voices are being erased.
Hell I even saw somebody straight up saying “there is no genocide”
Disinformation is fine, welcome even! But if you’re slightly mean to an obvious troll: insta-gone you are!
- .World mods, being terrible at their jobs
Y’all have your heads so deep in the sand you can’t feel your anus imploding. you are the product if using a free service such as Lemmy or Reddit
You think a person in a position of power won’t let power get to their head? Especially in decentralized, anonymous online forum?
Or they just let you say what you want here… unlike reddit where you catch a ban for upvoting violence.
Just scroll down and see how much messages are being erased
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Bullshit. They work for the status quo as much as Reddit does. They ban anti genocide voices, calls everyone who disagree with them “Russian troll”, and overall are holding the exact same line. I get banned all the time.
You get banned for using sock puppets and insulting people while using them and saying that nowadays Germany and Israel should stop exist. That’s nothing freedom of speech is for. (c/germany mod here)
Just want to state that, I will not reply to responses.
E: nowadays
All right have a nice day
Denying the existence of any state is a legitimate political opinion, especially when the given state is commiting genocide. You are the one lumping the people with their state by implying wanting the end of the later means willing harm to the former .
I wouldn’t have to take anti censorship measure if you weren’t censoring
So freedom of speech shouldn’t allow people to say that apartheid South Africa shouldn’t exist? That Nazi Germany shouldn’t be allowed to exist?
I can remember when opposing apartheid ethnostates was the correct moral opinion.
What happened?
What makes Israel different?
Or are double standards proof of anti semitism only when they’re negative?
EDIT: No response needed from moral cowards that would have protected apartheid South Africa, Belgium Congo, or Nazi Germany from criticism that they should not be allowed to exist.
You probably won’t read this, but things like this are EXACTLY why freedom of speech exists.
You would have condemned Nat Turner and justified slavery.
I guess it’s less about freedom of speech and more about not giving fascistic governments ammunition to eradicate Lemmy and instances like this one.
I am 100% certain that intelligence agencies are already monitoring this social network. Going against the status quo necessitates restraint regarding certain thoughts.
I’d argue you can still say these things, but you need to word them wisely. We have to remember they have all the power from the medias to the judicial system.
It’s an era in which they can easily manufacture consent to do whatever they want against what is deem a threat.
Probably the only non-evil response.
It fails the ‘all it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing’ test.
It fails the ‘If I was in Nazi Germany, I would have resisted’ test.
But I suspect that that isn’t the reason used by Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.de
I would guess that he would have supported Rhodesia if his government said that to oppose them was racist against white people.
You edited to add ‘nowadays’.
What a cowardly edit.
How was it okay to back the terrorist group ANC (Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist) and call for the fall of the Apartheid South African government in the 80’s, yet not okay to call for the downfall of the Apartheid ethnostate that Nelson Mandela said the concentration camp they created (Gaza) was worse then any of the Bantustans created by Apartheid South Africa?
What Israel is doing is quantitatively worse then Apartheid South Africa. Why was calling for the end of that government okay?
$5 says you’re too much of a coward to answer that question, even if only to yourself.
Zionists on the post 4 days ago were less quirky than on this one.
Beautiful display of this brainrot ideology, if you can’t deny it, it’s antisemitism…
If a Genocide wasn’t being conducted against Palestinians, it would be comical how detached these people are.
The real umbrella term is tolerance, you embrace it and it covers you, you either fall in line and integrate or you’re out.
Nowhere is set in stone that you have a right to bring the shit that made you flee your country into your host country and escape consequence.
Good riddance, globalism is absolute shit.
You tolerate funding a genocide
I might also add none of the rights you enjoy are set in stone, so maybe when they throw you in a camp you can bring that up to them.
Beyond the thinly veiled xenophobia and eurocentrism, I find it actually ironic how many of you people spout this line of thinking since it shows your complete lack of mental capacity to engage with the reality that many of the people who flee do so as a result of Western involvement in other countries’ governments, and the rest are fighting a system that chooses racism and violence toward the poor over, and over, and over, and over…
tl;Dr: keep shitting on the Global South but don’t be surprised when you’re alone while Putin and Trump come for your children and your children’s children.
This was maybe news a week ago but these four dudes are the exception that make the rule, tbh. Germany is cool.
EDIT: And they weren’t protestors, they were holding axes, terrorizing university employees, chanting “from the river to the sea”, and calling the police fascists.
No they weren’t. More straight up lies from lemmyworldists. Suprising? Not at all
I don’t think you’re going to convince many people with this.
In germany you are allowed to sue the state. If they felt like they were mistreated they would have already sued. No answer is also an answer
Technically, they are fighting it in court as of the article I read a while ago, but I don’t think there is any judgement for or against them, yet.
So, once a nazi, always a nazi, it seems. Carved Hakenkreuzes in foreheads for all of them.
Germany… forever pro-genocide cvnts
Name a more dynamic duo: German 🤝 being on the wrong side of history
Bro defends a terrorist organisation that wants to eradicate an entire religion and thinks he’s on the right side.
I fucking can’t lmao.
Yeah fr these four dudes were not “Pro-Palestine Protestors” they were threatening people with axes, calling police fascists, and chanting “from the river to the sea”. That was terrorism, and they’re bejng let off incredibly lightly.
You defend a genocidal state that is carpet bombing civilians and commiting war crime everyday God makes and you think you’re on the right side?
Israel has pulled out of gaza by 2005, has provided gaza with free water and electricity and plenty of palestinians went to work in israel every day prior to october. So no, there is no genocide going on. You’re just drinking the propaganda cool-aid like a clueless dumbass.
Also, support a russia and iran backed terrorist organisation that has been waging war against israel AND has been the aggressor in this conflict, killed israelis for no other reason than being jewish, digs up the water pipes so they can build rockets (and then complains about “OH NO THEY SHUT DOWN THE WATER SUPPLY :(((((”), forced their own people to stay in buildings that are bombed (israel warns the population of gaza of incoming attacks) just so they can make a cool social media propaganda post.
So yes, I definitely think I’m on the right side. And you should just say that you hate jews and you want them dead instead of trying to talk around it. At least be honest.
Everything you said is false.
Oh really?
Hamas literally made a “recruitment video” about digging up water pipes: https://youtu.be/04NB27x138Y
The part where israel warns the population is true tho - confirmed by many people who literally got these messages on their phones. A german journalist even showed the message he received while being near gaza. Also, why do you think videos exist where the cam is lying on the ground BEFORE the attack hits? Because they know in advance.
The part of “forced their own people to stay in buildings that are bombed” I can’t proof tbf - however, there are big indicators like people showing signs of restraint in bombed buildings, indicating they were tied to a chair or something similar to avoid escape. Hamas traditionally haven’t given a rats ass about the population, so this isn’t even far fetched and a realistic scenario.
Also false. Astounding how every single thing Zionists say is a lie you can debunk in one google search. Yet they keep saying it.
Ehi ehi! I found the zionazi!! How does it feel to swallow this much bibi cum and be satisfied? Did you say thank you to the IDF for killing kids and setting hospitals on fire?
“We are so moral and everyone hates us. Are these rocks khamas??? I think someone need to change my diaper.”
do you want me to send you some israeli citizens saying this? Cause the internet is full of these.
setting hospitals on fire
The hamas is using civilian buildings like hospitals, schools etc as bases. So yes - they are being bombed.
Reading the rest of your brainfart, any discussion with you is futile tho.
The hamas is using civilian buildings like hospitals, schools etc as bases. So yes - they are being bombed.
Proof?
I bet you keep these thoughts for you in the real world (or you live in colonised Palestine). Why don’t you go out in a bar and film yourself shouting this? Show us your guts big boy.
Also because you are so fucking stupid that you don’t know that IDF is actually using human shields (do you wanna see some photo of the pigs?).
Also also because if THE hamas (😂) was hiding in a Israeli hospital (this is fake news, its not reality you stupid moron) means we can bomb an Israeli hospital and kill israeli kids no? Right? It would be okay for you right? The hamas is hiding!
Lol you’re still upholding that “huMaN shielD bullshit”.
Gaza is the size of Manhattan and pretty much as dense. Of course they’re in the middle of civilians, asshole, they’re in a concentration camp.
Israel did pulled out of Gaza. They kept large part of the west bank to colonize, leading to the downfall of the Fatah and the rise of Hamas.
Jews are fine. In fact plenty of jews opposes Israel shit.
You specifically though, I don’t know if you’re Jewish, but you’re definitely a piece of shit
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They wouldn’t need “free” water, electricity, or go to Israel for a job if they had autonomy.
How does that change the fact that there is no genocide going on.
Hmm… Perhaps you’re ignorant of the definition of “genocide”. Allow me to enlighten you:
Genocide (noun):
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The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.
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The systematic killing of a racial or cultural group.
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The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity.
(source: wordlink).
- the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
(source: Merriam-Webster).
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][1] Raphael Lemkin, who first coined the term, defined genocide as “the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group” by means such as “the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence”.[2]
(source: Wikipedia)
I hope that clears a few things up.
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No Other reAsOn ThAn beiNg JewiSh
A two-year-old Palestinian was shot and killed by Israeli forces. On 1 June, an Israeli soldier shot and injured the child, as well as his father, with live ammunition; the boy succumbed to a head injury four days later. According to the Israeli military, as reported by the media, the soldier mistakenly identified the car where the father and the child were sitting as the source of a shooting attack towards a nearby Israeli settlement. Between 1 January and 12 June 2023, Israeli forces killed 21 Palestinian children in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, compared with 14 children killed during in the same period in 2022.
You can’t what? Make your two braincells work together? Everyone sees that. Reddit would be more suitable for a retarded nazi like you.
How can Germany “deport” an EU citizen? Is there any way for them to block an EU citizen from coming back into Germany?
How can Germany “deport” an EU citizen?
Have a half-dozen men with guns grab the person, shove them into the back of a squad car, drive them to a jail, make them wait in the jail until transport can be arranged, drag them to a plane, force them onto the plane, fly the plane to an Israeli-occupied territory, kick the person out of the plane into the hands of some genocidal Israeli lunatics, and leave.
Is there any way for them to block an EU citizen from coming back into Germany?
Tear up their travel documents, for starters. Sending them to a country where they are at extreme risk of permanent arrest, torture, and execution also works.
None of that is true. There is due process, no hit squads. They will have the ability to bring this to court (a process which they already started). And deportation would happen to where they come from, so other EU countries and the US.
Ok so just like in America
Not at all, nothing in the post you replied to is actually true.
It can’t, municipalities and states can, and the EU law allowing for this requires showing they’re a threat to public safety (which is why it’s not a federal matter the federation doesn’t do public safety). The Berlin state government wants to expel some people, so far no other state has made similar moves, and it’s very questionable whether Berlin courts will let them do it. And then there’s federal courts. And then the ECJ.
Yeah, that’s the craziest thing. EU citizenship means you have freedom to be in any EU country. There is no “deporting” a citizen of the EU if you’re a country in the EU.
Yet here we are…
Yeah that is why “deportation” is the wrong word being used… It is an “opinion” piece from one Berlin based journalist, that obviously lacks some legal details or is trying to use a catchy headline. I especially like it when the article says the used “objects that could have been used as potential weapons”. It was fucking AXES they used and obviously the Uni employees were horrified when it happened. Not saying that is right to restrict EU citizens movement in such cases. I’d prefer a proper trial before that happens but they certainly didn’t behave very well.
In case of the US citizen I guess you could call it a deportation/expulsion.
Some translated legal background for you guys: Strictly speaking, in the case of EU citizens, this is not referred to as expulsion/deportation, but as loss of freedom of movement. ‘EU citizens entitled to freedom of movement can lose their right of residence for reasons of public order, security or health,’ according to the website of the Federal Ministry of the Interior.
Particularly stringent conditions apply to the loss of residence on grounds of public order or security. ‘There must be an actual and sufficiently serious threat to public order or security that affects a fundamental interest of society. This threat must be based on the personal behaviour of the EU citizen,’ writes the Federal Ministry of the Interior on its website.
People who do not come from the EU are referred to as deportees. This is the case here for one person. If a person from a third country jeopardises public safety and order, the free democratic basic order or other significant public interests through their stay, they can be expelled.
„It’s not holocaust when brown people are dying”
~white people
I’m EU citizen, I go into Germany if I so please. I’ll do it and I’ll do it again.
To the jew haters in this thread: shame on you.
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Are you promoting genocide?
Don’t see any…
Genocide is bad
You: AnTiSeMiTiSm!!
Sincerely, you are one, conflicting both zionism and judaism is disgusting.
History will not forget your ideological travesty.
The insult wont sting, idiot. Guess what, saying jewish people shouldn’t be privileged anymore than any other ethnicity isn’t HaTinG jeWs.
When you have privilege, losing that privilege is perceived as persecution. We see a similar phenomenon with snowflake white males in the US spouting misinformation about what DEI is so that they can end it.
Fuck the genocidal state of Israel.
But are they self sealing?
Which comments are you talking about? There’s one comment that’s deleted by a mod, and mostly everyone else is talking about Germany.
I’ve even gone to your instance to see what you see, and seems like you’re complaining about something that’s not present.
When you start calling for genocide of Jews, you’re no better than Israelis attacking Gaza.
EDIT: Okay I get it guys, you want to do genocide against Jews. Sick fucks. Reddit was mild compared to this hipster 4chan pit
You make up people calling for a Jewish genocide in this thread, but you still can’t bring yourself to use the word Genocide for the state that set up torture rape camps that they used to rape doctors to death.
Why the double standard? Why does calling for a single state with equal rights for citizens constitute calling for a genocide, but you can’t call the country that has bombed and destroyed every hospital and school while continuing to block all access to food genocidal?
Why the double standard?
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Strawman! There is an active ongoing genocide against Palestinians right now, that is the reality, not the one you just made up
You’re being downvoted for your strawman framing. Recognising that Netanyahu’s actions in Gaza (and farther, now) are unethical and illegal is absolutely not the same as calling for another Jewish genocide. Being pro-Palestine does not mean you’re calling for the destruction of Israel or the murder of Jews.
There seems to be a fairly successful effort to frame any opposition of Israel’s actions as antisemitic, which is a disgraceful attempt to use the suffering of Jewish ancestors as a shield against criticism today.
What? We’re talking about the person from Germany chanting “From river to the sea” thingy, which was made illegal in Germany.
Of course what that war criminal is doing in Gaza is beyond unethical, but both my comment and article is about what happened in Germany.
If you wish to live there, try not breaking laws that Germans are super sensitive about. That’s it.
EDIT: You guys read the article, right? …right?
From the river to the sea Palestine will be free
Germans are super sensitive about it because they exported billions of euros of weapons to Israel. Follow the money
Completely false.
Those are reperation payments from WW2 and Germany stopped weapon exports to Israel.
Have you even read the article you’re citing? It literally says :
The Economy Ministry said on Thursday there was no ban on arms exports to Israel and there would not be one
Also, German arms exports to Israel increase, contradicting government reports
Germany’s arms exports to Israel are much higher than the government said they were, with new numbers showing the government approved exports worth €94 million since August alone.
Ah ok, fair enough. I did read the article, but I didn’t realise that was what you were talking about - perhaps quoting the bit you’re responding to would stop me and others being confused.
who is calling for this?
Sadly have to agree. These people make everything about Israel for some reason
Germany is always on the wrong side of history.
That depends on who wins.
Let’s hope they go 0-3
The good side of history isn’t really that of police states built on violence and blood. Germany government is not alone in supporting israel, pretty much every government rooted in authority share the same values.
Every government rooted in colonial violence, genocide and land theft, supports Israel.
