Suicide, eh. Time to drag in the worthless shit Andrew into a Perth police station.
Wait… she fell out of a window? When was she in Russia?
I could sure go for some optimism right now.
Just saying: Her car wrack story has been proven as bogus/phony. But it sounded like a cry for help/attention.
That doesn’t rule out,that someone wanted her death - but neither does it rule out suicide.
And sadly victims of the unspeakable abuses she endured often suffer for the rest of their lives with mental health issues. Very bad mental health issues. And as someone who has suffered from them right where she lives I can testify that mental health care in WA sucks ass. Even if you are in a much more privileged position than she was - as a healthcare professional I had much better options than most.
Either way it’s a fucking sad story. No matter how you turn it she might have never had a chance. Either to the outside forces or to her inner daemons.
So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
Conspiracy theorists live in a world where the rich and powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders and then vengefully kill their accusers, but make it look like a suicide for some reason.
Seems like the same thing with extra steps. Why do people think they would want or need to do the extra steps?
Most conspiracy theories have at least some truth, with the rest being assumptions based on things proven true. Is Jeffery Epstein an agent of a shadowy super organization that spent decades collecting evidence of rich and powerful men abusing children to keep them under control?
Maybe. Parts of that are undeniably true, and the rest of that also happened separately(see finders cult). You’d be a conspiracy theorist to combine the two though, especially if you were to present this information in 2003, despite both things still being true then.
As far as your actual point; whistle blower have “committed suicide” by shooting themselves twice in the back of the head, dislocating their joints, and shoving themselves post mortem into a duffle bag in a ny apartment. (See CIA whistle blowers, NYPD whistleblowers.) Its not crazy to assume someone that took on someone powerful was killed and was made to look suicidal, that’s literally something that has happened thousands of times in the last 5 decades. As to why, it’s easier. It stops official investigations. Its over with and must people will assume it is true and anyone that questions it will be a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Critical thinking is a skill. Anyone can learn it. We can measure a person’s ability by giving them tests and throwing a wide array of problems at them.
This is part of that skillset, you understand subtext? this is the language of the powerful this is how they communicate to us not to resist and blow the whistle. You are serving their agenda by sowing doubt. Whistleblowers are ordinary people that have somehow accessed the deep courage to speak out when you or I would look the other way or say a thing is “someone else’s job”. These people are heroes; how many more of them are you going to watch die before you rise from your chair?
The other comments be like, “this lady is dumb because she killed herself and definitely just changed her mind and definitely wasn’t murdered, despite expressing that she will likely be murdered.”
Right? If I’m ever inclined to believe that someone(s) is going to murder me, and tell my family & friends about it, and that I’m not suicidal, it’s because I want people to look into it if I die. It’s stunning to read all of these comments saying that maybe she was sitting on the fence, or that a half-decade is a lot of time to change your mind. Like, how fucking powerful do your enemies have to be before people are at least willing to entertain the possibility that you were killed for globally humiliating multiple multi-millionaires and their friends?
I swear to Christ, I think it’ll take a dead-man’s switch tied to a private investigator and/or hitman to get things moving after a death under suspicious circumstances… “I think someone’s going to kill me, if it happens, here’s $30K to ensure that something’s done about it. Don’t accept jerkoff diffusion from impotent wankers or fools. Make sure that dolts don’t say I just got sad and shot myself in the back of the head twice.”
People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer. I understand people can change in five years, often do not share their suicidal ideation but she was a bright woman who understood the weight of her position, if nothing else it’s shady and needs to be looked into just to confirm.
Nice one, so I guess that you’ve never said “half dozen” then, right? Because you wouldn’t want six eggs to sound like a bigger number, right?
Are you being deliberately stupid?
People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer.
What the fuck do you expect me to say to someone who comments “People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer”?
That expression is being deliberately used to make the time period sound longer. Do you not understand that people will use language in a certain way to make things sound better or worse?
The tweet was written in 2019.
Since then there has been a global pandemic that affected a lot of people’s mental health, and she had had become estranged from her husband and children.
I’m not saying that there is no chance someone did this, but there was reasons why this might be a legitimate suicide.
This is a stupid thing to write tho unless you update it regularly and verifiably. Anyone can fake it and things change, maybe someone wasnt suicidal but then became suicidal.
In this case i wouldnt doubt it for a second if someone claimed she was murdered, but thats beside the point. If you want to make sure that you cant be “suicided” then you need people close to you that can act as witnesses to your mental well being right before you got killed.
She is literally trying to avoid having the people close to her getting targeted, it’s like right there in the post.
She wrote “do not let this go away”. That means she wanted to bring as much attention as possible to her killing. But also what she wrote is plain stupid. Her family will never be or feel safe no matter what they do.
Even if you dont want to directly involve your family, there are better ways to make it hard for others to fake your suicide.
I’ve never seen someone too stupid to use the word “stupid” before. Incredible stuff, thank you
Someone being dead doesnt make the bad decisions they made before their death immune to criticism. Idk why people behave like it does.
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Why are you claiming she faked her suicide?? Are you trying to say she’s still alive?
for others to fake your suicide
“others” as in the people that want to make it look like a suicide
That Tweet is six years old isn’t it? I guess you can change your mind in that time.
Have your plans to not commit suicide been altered 180° in the last 6 years, or are you still opposed to the idea? See how that works, it’s not like picking your favourite flavour of chips or movie, is it?
Two people close to me have gone from “normal” to suicidal and back again in the last 6 years, for different reasons and at different times. Thankfully they are both stable and enjoying their lives now.
If you’ve not witnessed anything like that, count yourself lucky. I remember talking to people about suicide when I was younger and couldn’t understand how anyone could get to that place until I saw someone I know really well go through a complete mental breakdown.
It kind of blows my mind that suicide seemed so outlandish to you back then tbh. It’s always seemed like a reasonable and, in some unfortunate cases, necessary final escape plan to me. But maybe that’s a product of having not-so-great parents, depression, and growing up in sometimes middling/sometimes severe poverty?
Yes it is a product of those things, if you’re thinking about it then please see someone and work out a path to better mental health.
We only get one life, it would be a tragedy to waste it!
I appreciate you saying so, but I’ve been doing relatively fine over here. Unless faced with a life of literal torture, I have no intention of leaving this world any time soon!
Glad to hear it!
I can answer yes in both directions. It’s amazing the toll stress can have on your mental health, whether that stress be environmental factors or biochemical imbalances. In the right, or wrong, environment 6 years can completely change who you are.
This isn’t to say she committed suicide, I don’t know her and barely know of her, but your opinion is verifiably incorrect, and more likely to be incorrect for someone who has suffered significant trauma followed up by years of emotional abuse.
Just 4 years ago I was on the verge of doing it. Today while still having the recurrent though, I’m doing a lot better. And every single suicidal/depressive people is a different world, so yes, people can have 180° change in less than 6 years.
There is no single rule of thumb to apply here, as much as ignorance may lead you yo believe so.
Im not currently in chronic extreme pain nor am I terminal, were that to change I might consider suicide.
Mine, no, but I definitely know people who went from very happy with their lives to deep depression in a shorter period then that.
That doesn’t necessarily equal suicidal tendencies in all cases but there’s certainly common ground been the two.
I have had a day where I was sure I wanted to die and years where I didn’t. It’s possible for it to change in an instant. I don’t know any details of her situation, but just pointing out that that can change from moment to moment.
Jeez, I just suggested that it’s possible.
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She said she would never commit suicide. She was murdered.
Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
This part makes me wonder. If I remember at the time of it, it was a kidney injury that without dialysis would have given about 4 days to live. She recently split up with her husband after 22 years. I’ll start by saying dialysis isn’t fun. The emotional rollercoaster she has been on would devastate anyone.
That being said, all of this would not have happened if she hadn’t been trafficked. I maintain an opinion that traumatic crimes result in suicide, then the perpetrators are murderers.
Regardless if she died by her own action or not, she was murdered.
With that opinion stated. Yeah. Without a lot more information I’m sort of expecting the suicide to be self-intlicted gunshot wounds to the back of her head while her hands were tied.
Interestingly in the uk it is possible to prosecute someone for manslaughter if their partner/ex kills themselves due to domestic abuse. Trafficking involves coercive control just like DA and there’s an overlap between traffickers and DA in general.
Yeah. I’m inclined to believe this was suicide, but she was driven to it primarily by the abuse.
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Whenever suicide is mentioned in conjunction with Epstein, the answer is it wasn’t suicide. Even so, it means there will be no justice.
If someone is shot and paralyzed, but dies years later from complications it is ruled as a murder in connection with the shooting. If someone is horrifically abused and commits suicide, should the suspects of the abuse have some culpability in the death?
Whether suicide or murder, her blood is on Epstein and company’s hands.
well said. I would add his clients too.
Don’t forget that the president of the United States is caught up in all of this too.
The car wreck didn’t kill her so someone was sent to finish the job.
So let me get this straight, you think some hitman posed, as a school bus driver of all things, to assassinate her, and that failing, she’s so important that someone else gets sent in to get her?
Occam’s Razor is dead.
The Kunts - Prince Andrew Is A Sweaty Nonce
As this song asks, why did Prince Andrew (or ultimately the British tax payer) pay Virginia Giuffre £12m if he didn’t do anything?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-12m-court-settlement-26244075
Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
The prince, who has denied all claims against him, reached an out-of-court settlement with her in 2022. The settlement included a statement in which he expressed regret for his association with Epstein but contained no admission of liability or apology.
West Australia police said they were called to a home in the Neergabby area on Friday night, where Ms Giuffre was found unresponsive. A statement continued: “The death is being investigated by Major Crime detectives; early indication is the death is not suspicious.”
Right now, I’ll go with “non-consensual assisted suicide”
A high profile, vocal survivor of a human trafficking case involving the president of the United States and a UK royalty, offs herself weeks after being involved in a car crash that almost killed her. That’s almost Russian Windows levels of coincidence right there.
Rest in Power. Andrew and Co are sick fucks.
