When can we stop inserting politics into every little thing? I know it’s a big deal at the moment, what with the fascist takeover of our government, but are Linux devs and their moderators really the people we expect to represent all of us in that fight? They don’t have the power to help in that capacity.
We should be able to accept people’s help in whatever realm they are offering it without trying to force them to help with everything else at the same time. These guys signed up to support open source software. That’s an important and helpful thing but it isn’t gay rights activism. That is not their area of expertise. They’re not supposed to be representing LGBTQ interests in anything except the right to privacy. Quit making them the arbiter of morality in battles they didn’t sign up to fight to begin with. It doesn’t help anybody. It only redirects anger away from the people that we really should be mad at, namely our absolute disaster of a federal government.
Unless you openly state your identity online most people will presume youre a cis het white male, if you say you’re not they ask for proof and then ban you
Translation: “everything the right dislikes is to be declared “political” and taboo to discuss. Only things they approve of are acceptable conversation.”
This is the problem with “don’t talk politics” policies. It makes discussion anything those in power dislike taboo. It’s a way to telling people they are not allowed to discuss things inconvenient to those in power. Never trust this.
Human rights issues are not political. The attempt by the right to cast them as political serves to suppress discussion and progress by making the very act of discussing these things at all be seen as taboo. We can’t let that happen.
That point aside, libre software is pretty much inherently political.
When can we stop inserting politics into every little thing?
When I see comments like this, it makes 2 things plainly obvious:
The commentor is naive and doesn’t understand that fundamentally ‘politics’ is the power dynamic in every relationship, be that between people, groups or with structures or things such as food.
It is in everything and connects everything. It defines your relationship and how you interact with the world and it’s relationship to, and interaction with you.
The commentor has enough privilege that they don’t have to worry about politics/power structures on a daily basis.
And some people can’t pull their head out of their own ass long enough to see that their problems aren’t the same as everyone else’s problems. You’re right though, it’s naive to expect others not to view themselves and their pet issues as the only thing worth discussing in the world. Your response being a great case study in how you can do exactly that while also implying that no one else even has problems to begin with.
Saying something about yourself as an introduction is custom. Mentioning that you are queer is not weird or political. It someone sharing a fact about themselves. Me saying that I like girls is also not a political statement. It’s a fact/trivia about me.
The fact that LGBTQ+ people get shit for just existing in society is fucked up and that’s the problem.
First of all, if you don’t think it’s weird to start off an introduction with “I’m queer and I’m a furry” then I’m not sure what to tell you. The vast majority of people in the world are going to be put off by you introducing yourself that way. That’s personal shit you talk about once you get to know somebody not an ice breaker. You can make the argument that people should be more accepting of that kind of thing but the fact is this sort of introduction breaks just about every social norm there is and when you do that willingly you should expect people to get uncomfortable.
Second of all, quit forcing your kinks on everyone else. I don’t care what weird kinky shit you do in your free time but I don’t want to talk to you about it, especially not at work. It doesn’t matter if your thing is women’s feet, dudes buttholes, or guys dressed as a cartoon wolf, the answer is the same, ew stop. It isn’t bigotry to not want to be forced to deal with your sexuality as a prerequisite for interacting with you. I probably don’t want to be interacting with you at all, much less talking about what you like to do with your genitals, so stop oversharing and keep that shit to yourself.
Hello, I am a queer furry, and if you are put off by my introduction then you have a lot of shit you need to reflect on.
It is a social norm for openly queer people to be, wait for it, openly queer. Ever hear of a little thing called Stonewall? Ever hear of the core concept of queer pride?
Bigots feeling bigoted discomfort is solidly a “them” problem, and I should not and will not suppress myself to appease bigots like you.
Sure, you might think it’s weird and annoying to say something like that in an introduction. But please enlighten me, how is being Queer a kink? And how is a man wanting to wear women’s dresses a kink? If thinking of queer- and transpeople makes you horny/angry then that’s your problem. They have a right to exists.
Why are you so triggered and scared of people being different? People have a right to express and be themselves.
Kinky shit should stay out of the public, but that goes for everyone. Not just LGBTQ+ people.
No, the political part is you forcing your sexuality to be discussed in a non-sexual context. I don’t care what you do in your bedroom but I don’t want to be forced to talk to you about it. It’s not relevant to our work therefore we don’t need to discuss it at work. Unless you’re trying to fuck me I don’t need to hear about it at all and that’s probably not something you should be doing at work either, certainly not in this context.
Nothing I have said is exclusive to queer people. They are universal rules that everyone should follow.
Nothing they said was sexual. Even if they were saying they are attracted to men (as a man), that is not sexual.
By your logic, no one at work can say they are married (married people are attracted to each other and have sex, how disgusting to force us to talk about your wife at work.)
And don’t you DARE say you went on a date recently (dates are romantic, and that is sexual. Stop forcing your straightness on us!)
Also, the trans flag was included, so they weren’t even talking about sexuality, just gender.
Mentioning one’s orientation is not “forcing to discuss your sexuality”. It was an introduction thread, not a technical one, so it’s not even out of place. Also, a community forum is not “work”
How is it political to talk about yourself in vague terms when introducing yourself to a group!? Would it be political if he said his hair is brown? How about if he mentions the color of his skin, is that political?
You make the statement political when you try to ban certain people from talking about who they are, if only white people talk about the color of their skin it’s not political to say you’re black, it’s political to try to block people from saying it. Saying you’re queer is on the same level of mentioning you have a wife/husband, in fact it’s even more vague, it’s in the same level of saying “since I was a boy/girl”, because queer does not necessarily mean non-heterosexual it can also mean non-cisgender so it’s an umbrella term to mean member of the LGBTQ+ community, if being queer is political then being heterosexual or cisgender also has to be, and I doubt people would be okay with having to step on eggshells not to mention anything that could make someone deduce their sexuality or gender. Hell, the same people who claim Queer is political are the ones who have the most problem with gender neutral language.
When can we stop inserting politics into every little thing? I know it’s a big deal at the moment, what with the fascist takeover of our government, but are Linux devs and their moderators really the people we expect to represent all of us in that fight? They don’t have the power to help in that capacity.
We should be able to accept people’s help in whatever realm they are offering it without trying to force them to help with everything else at the same time. These guys signed up to support open source software. That’s an important and helpful thing but it isn’t gay rights activism. That is not their area of expertise. They’re not supposed to be representing LGBTQ interests in anything except the right to privacy. Quit making them the arbiter of morality in battles they didn’t sign up to fight to begin with. It doesn’t help anybody. It only redirects anger away from the people that we really should be mad at, namely our absolute disaster of a federal government.
Unless you openly state your identity online most people will presume youre a cis het white male, if you say you’re not they ask for proof and then ban you
Translation: “everything the right dislikes is to be declared “political” and taboo to discuss. Only things they approve of are acceptable conversation.”
This is the problem with “don’t talk politics” policies. It makes discussion anything those in power dislike taboo. It’s a way to telling people they are not allowed to discuss things inconvenient to those in power. Never trust this.
Human rights issues are not political. The attempt by the right to cast them as political serves to suppress discussion and progress by making the very act of discussing these things at all be seen as taboo. We can’t let that happen.
That point aside, libre software is pretty much inherently political.
When I see comments like this, it makes 2 things plainly obvious:
It is in everything and connects everything. It defines your relationship and how you interact with the world and it’s relationship to, and interaction with you.
Some people can’t see the wood for the trees
A fish doesn’t know its wet
And some people can’t pull their head out of their own ass long enough to see that their problems aren’t the same as everyone else’s problems. You’re right though, it’s naive to expect others not to view themselves and their pet issues as the only thing worth discussing in the world. Your response being a great case study in how you can do exactly that while also implying that no one else even has problems to begin with.
What makes somebody’s sexual orientation political?
Do you see how you’re being political here?
You’re just projecting here.
I merely pointed out that everything is politics and yet you respond with yet more bleating.
And you respond further by shoving your head further up your own arse.
Are you trying to make yourself out as the victim here?
What a fucking crybaby!
Saying something about yourself as an introduction is custom. Mentioning that you are queer is not weird or political. It someone sharing a fact about themselves. Me saying that I like girls is also not a political statement. It’s a fact/trivia about me.
The fact that LGBTQ+ people get shit for just existing in society is fucked up and that’s the problem.
First of all, if you don’t think it’s weird to start off an introduction with “I’m queer and I’m a furry” then I’m not sure what to tell you. The vast majority of people in the world are going to be put off by you introducing yourself that way. That’s personal shit you talk about once you get to know somebody not an ice breaker. You can make the argument that people should be more accepting of that kind of thing but the fact is this sort of introduction breaks just about every social norm there is and when you do that willingly you should expect people to get uncomfortable.
Second of all, quit forcing your kinks on everyone else. I don’t care what weird kinky shit you do in your free time but I don’t want to talk to you about it, especially not at work. It doesn’t matter if your thing is women’s feet, dudes buttholes, or guys dressed as a cartoon wolf, the answer is the same, ew stop. It isn’t bigotry to not want to be forced to deal with your sexuality as a prerequisite for interacting with you. I probably don’t want to be interacting with you at all, much less talking about what you like to do with your genitals, so stop oversharing and keep that shit to yourself.
Hello, I am a queer furry, and if you are put off by my introduction then you have a lot of shit you need to reflect on.
It is a social norm for openly queer people to be, wait for it, openly queer. Ever hear of a little thing called Stonewall? Ever hear of the core concept of queer pride?
Bigots feeling bigoted discomfort is solidly a “them” problem, and I should not and will not suppress myself to appease bigots like you.
Sure, you might think it’s weird and annoying to say something like that in an introduction. But please enlighten me, how is being Queer a kink? And how is a man wanting to wear women’s dresses a kink? If thinking of queer- and transpeople makes you horny/angry then that’s your problem. They have a right to exists.
Why are you so triggered and scared of people being different? People have a right to express and be themselves.
Kinky shit should stay out of the public, but that goes for everyone. Not just LGBTQ+ people.
Only an idiot would think this is political.
Next you’ll be telling us that declaring your religion is political.
The political part is the mod intervention, not someone saying “I’m queer”
No, the political part is you forcing your sexuality to be discussed in a non-sexual context. I don’t care what you do in your bedroom but I don’t want to be forced to talk to you about it. It’s not relevant to our work therefore we don’t need to discuss it at work. Unless you’re trying to fuck me I don’t need to hear about it at all and that’s probably not something you should be doing at work either, certainly not in this context.
Nothing I have said is exclusive to queer people. They are universal rules that everyone should follow.
Nothing they said was sexual. Even if they were saying they are attracted to men (as a man), that is not sexual.
By your logic, no one at work can say they are married (married people are attracted to each other and have sex, how disgusting to force us to talk about your wife at work.)
And don’t you DARE say you went on a date recently (dates are romantic, and that is sexual. Stop forcing your straightness on us!)
Also, the trans flag was included, so they weren’t even talking about sexuality, just gender.
Mentioning one’s orientation is not “forcing to discuss your sexuality”. It was an introduction thread, not a technical one, so it’s not even out of place. Also, a community forum is not “work”
Is furry a sexual orientation or a kink?
Neither. It’s an aspect of identity, like enjoying spicy food.
neither, and it’s trollish to even ask that
It could be both but it can also be neither of those things, depending on which furry you ask.
How is it political to talk about yourself in vague terms when introducing yourself to a group!? Would it be political if he said his hair is brown? How about if he mentions the color of his skin, is that political?
You make the statement political when you try to ban certain people from talking about who they are, if only white people talk about the color of their skin it’s not political to say you’re black, it’s political to try to block people from saying it. Saying you’re queer is on the same level of mentioning you have a wife/husband, in fact it’s even more vague, it’s in the same level of saying “since I was a boy/girl”, because queer does not necessarily mean non-heterosexual it can also mean non-cisgender so it’s an umbrella term to mean member of the LGBTQ+ community, if being queer is political then being heterosexual or cisgender also has to be, and I doubt people would be okay with having to step on eggshells not to mention anything that could make someone deduce their sexuality or gender. Hell, the same people who claim Queer is political are the ones who have the most problem with gender neutral language.
I don’t think the problematic political part is a person basically saying “Oh, I’m queer btw”, but the mod team redacting it.
I also think that trying to supress political discussion in the forums of an OS literally called Ubuntu is beyond ironic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_philosophy