A charities main goal is to raise funds to help people in need. Unless the money comes from an unsavoury source such as crime or drugs I feel they shouldn’t exclude anyone from helping to raise money for a good cause. That goes for Muslims and Christian’s.
charity is a personal private issue. like a lot of other issues.
I can give money to poor.
I can be stupid and give money to rich.
I can create a shelter for women in abusing marriages and exclude men.
I can do the same for men and exclude women.
I can create an event for women only.
I should be able to create for men only.
if it is not obvious I am against laws that force you to associate with groups.
so I am for mixed gym and also women gyms and men only gyms.
the only thing I can think against this charity is that by being called (officially) “charity”
they have to accept some laws, like no exclusion based on sex.
I am against that law (it is an stupid law) but if you have a charity you have to be inside the law.
if you are gonna think that is not a stupid law to force you to associate with groups you don’t want, that is a point you can make (which I don’t accept) but if that law wasn’t there, then this charity would not have done anything wrong. another charity can do the same and exclude men ( or even muslims) and I think that is ok.
There’s a difference between setting up a segregated shelter and raising the money for said shelter.
If you segregate and event based on something like sex for example the only one losing out is the charity and the people it benefits.
Being generally inclusive isn’t stupid as it helps to build a community around good cause which is better for everyone.
The narrow mindset you’ve just described is why there’s so much division in the uk. It’s a park run for goodness sake. The fact that girls under 12 are allowed to compete just shows how archaic this decision was to ban women. Now all this charity has is less money and bad press.
If you want to set up a park run with a big sign saying no vaginas allowed them more power to you, just don’t be surprised when there’s backlash.
Not associating yourself with sexists or racists is a valid argument but not associating yourself with women who you share a religion with is just plain silly as I’m sure some will benefit from this charity in the long run.
as I get older I get more towards freedom of association vs forced inclusion. I am even somewhat (not completely) against forcing companies to hire people they dot want to hire.
if that company want to lose money because they don’t hire men( or women or muslim or whatever), in my opinion that’s their right.
and companies hire based on their need mostly.
two points against my own argument:
1- companies should hire based on what they want but should not be able to fire you willy nilly.
even if you are a piece of shit that support retarded or racist ideology.
2-copanies being able to hire who they want (one legged female presenting dem-gus/god) is for a better society that people are not as poor as the current culture created by greed and power. so I don’t think it should be done now.
but charity or gyms or clubs and so on should be able to include or exclude who they want.
it may sound unfair to you but for me it goes with freedom of association which is way more important than freedom of speech.
I see not problem with private charity including or excluding groups.
A charities main goal is to raise funds to help people in need. Unless the money comes from an unsavoury source such as crime or drugs I feel they shouldn’t exclude anyone from helping to raise money for a good cause. That goes for Muslims and Christian’s.
charity is a personal private issue. like a lot of other issues. I can give money to poor. I can be stupid and give money to rich. I can create a shelter for women in abusing marriages and exclude men. I can do the same for men and exclude women.
I can create an event for women only. I should be able to create for men only.
if it is not obvious I am against laws that force you to associate with groups.
so I am for mixed gym and also women gyms and men only gyms.
the only thing I can think against this charity is that by being called (officially) “charity” they have to accept some laws, like no exclusion based on sex. I am against that law (it is an stupid law) but if you have a charity you have to be inside the law.
if you are gonna think that is not a stupid law to force you to associate with groups you don’t want, that is a point you can make (which I don’t accept) but if that law wasn’t there, then this charity would not have done anything wrong. another charity can do the same and exclude men ( or even muslims) and I think that is ok.
There’s a difference between setting up a segregated shelter and raising the money for said shelter.
If you segregate and event based on something like sex for example the only one losing out is the charity and the people it benefits.
Being generally inclusive isn’t stupid as it helps to build a community around good cause which is better for everyone.
The narrow mindset you’ve just described is why there’s so much division in the uk. It’s a park run for goodness sake. The fact that girls under 12 are allowed to compete just shows how archaic this decision was to ban women. Now all this charity has is less money and bad press.
If you want to set up a park run with a big sign saying no vaginas allowed them more power to you, just don’t be surprised when there’s backlash.
Not associating yourself with sexists or racists is a valid argument but not associating yourself with women who you share a religion with is just plain silly as I’m sure some will benefit from this charity in the long run.
as I get older I get more towards freedom of association vs forced inclusion. I am even somewhat (not completely) against forcing companies to hire people they dot want to hire. if that company want to lose money because they don’t hire men( or women or muslim or whatever), in my opinion that’s their right. and companies hire based on their need mostly.
two points against my own argument: 1- companies should hire based on what they want but should not be able to fire you willy nilly. even if you are a piece of shit that support retarded or racist ideology.
2-copanies being able to hire who they want (one legged female presenting dem-gus/god) is for a better society that people are not as poor as the current culture created by greed and power. so I don’t think it should be done now.
but charity or gyms or clubs and so on should be able to include or exclude who they want.
it may sound unfair to you but for me it goes with freedom of association which is way more important than freedom of speech.
yes. I don’t think that charity said that they don’t accept women’s money.
yes. I know. and they know.