Microsoft’s AI CEO, Mustafa Suleyman, has shared his opinion after recent pushback from users online that are becoming frustrated with Copilot and AI on Windows. In a post on X, Suleyman says he’s mind blown by the fact that people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.
His post comes after Windows president Pavan Davuluri was recently met with major backlash from users online for posting about Windows evolving into an agentic OS. His post was so negatively received that he was forced to turn off replies, though Davuluri did later respond to reassure customers that the company was aware of the feedback.
You know what would impress me? That I would be able to start using my computer when I boot it in the morning.
As it stands I have to wait some 5 to 10 minutes before the mouse pointer decides to cooperate with me. And god forbid I attempt to start a Teams meeting, either the camera, mic or screen share will not work at all.
What the hell is this dumbass operating system doing that is more important than responding to the damn user?
Same machine, booting Linux, lets me start working right away. No stuttering, no freezes. Go figure.
It’s sad that all of those things were solved problems 20 years ago.
Like, Skype was usable on pretty much any computer with a webcam in 2006. Computers booted in a couple minutes with their spinning disk drives.
The tech is faster, more reliable, higher resolution, etc, but the software is fucking ass.
Using electron for seemingly every app will do that.
Probably more to do with the fact that every app is now designed to gather as much data as possible to build an ad profile on you.
Yeah I doubt that’s the issue on a PC with 64GB RAM.
Ram isn’t the only issue. It’s the bloat it needs to load even to display a simple UI.
Install an outbound firewall and be horrified by how much Windows phones home and how much telemetry it continuously exfiltrates without your consent.
Yup, and Linux probably boots faster. On my NVMe w/ full-disk encryption (not through the disk’s microcontroller, through an outside FS), I boot to desktop in like 5 sec or less, and the desktop is fully usable. If I want to launch a program, I type the name and hit enter, and it launches in a couple seconds.
My M3 Mac is a little worse, since it gets confused about launching an app vs looking for a file, and it takes a bit longer to boot (20-30 seconds?).
But my SO’s Windows machine is something else. It takes a minute or two to boot, and after that it takes a minute or two to “settle.” I have no idea what it’s doing, but I generally get up and get a drink or something when my SO asks me to get something pulled up. Why is it so crappy?
xxx@xxx:~$ systemd-analyze Startup finished in 1.514s (kernel) + 3.331s (userspace) = 4.846s graphical.target reached after 3.328s in userspace.My machine is instantly usable in <5 seconds.
You’re letting me down firmware!
What the hell kind of hardware are you running, son? Is your system waiting for the superconducting magnets of your particle accelerator to cool? Is your 400 lbs Honeywell tape drive running self-assessment tests? Is the communications array realigning to restore the connection to your hidden villainous moon base? What is taking fourteen seconds?
That’d at least make sense, this is a (literal) black box. Seriously, my monitor takes long enough to wake that it’s at the boot loader screen by the time it’s ready.
I found a post on Reddit claiming it’s a RAM thing, and I should enable XMP to avoid it. But I’ve already got XMP enabled so I need to poke around it again.
And also disable the 5 second delay in the bootloader, not like I’m ever using that fallback option.
The usual suspect in this scenario is crappy USB devices, hubs in particular. Unplugging all USB devices and rebooting to check the difference is always a solid and easy first diagnostic step. If that turns out to be the issue you can add them back piecemeal to isolate the offender(s).
I completely trust Systemd to accurately report on itself, the same as I trust American cops to police themselves.
Back when I used a HDD in my laptop, I was able to get my boot down to 20s or so. I don’t understand what MS is doing…
Someone once wrote something that compiled the Linux kernel on bootup with TinyC. Even this would be faster.
FYI there’s a MS Teams client for Linux.
This is not a typical experience, you have some kind of hardware issue or corruption / incongruities in your OS deployment.
To clarify a bit: Windows may not be the only reason my work machine is slow as hell, corporate endpoint protection is due to play some part in that slowness.
Having said that, colleagues that use Macs and Linux mock us Windows users everyday for all the troubles we have with, well, everything, and they have similar endpoint protections in place.
Windows, windows is the corruption you’re looking for.
That’s very funny to say, but Windows 11 boots faster than Linux on my disk boot machine. I do have full disk encryption on Linux tbf, but Windows is very fast from cold off to login screen.
It’s a shit OS I’m forced to use for work, but it boots very quickly.
His boot time in Linux says it’s not a hardware issue. Just sayin’
You’re right, I hate windows and especially 11 but even my shit spec work laptop running 11 boots to desktop in under a minute.
Is this “git gud”, victim blaming, or a mix of both? Ignoring the comma splice.
You’d think if there was a janky bit of gear in there
Neither appear to be the case.
Or perhaps it could be something other than malice?
This person is putting up with a misbehavior they don’t have to live with. They’re presenting the perception that it’s due to the nature of the operating system.
Flawed logic, no? And yet, when it comes to tech, plenty of folks apply the same type of thought pattern.
You’re right that one would think the issue is as it seems on the surface. Computers are actually a bit more complicated than that.
One fail mode of memory is the occasional bit flip silently corrupting data in the background. As time goes on and new data is written to a disk, things can get weirder and weirder over time.
We don’t know if Windows and Linux are sharing a physical disk (I hope for their sake they aren’t) and we don’t know how old the Linux deployment is, so it’s possible it hasn’t had the opportunity to get progressively messed up enough yet.
Another key variable is that the Linux environment might not be interacting with every single piece of hardware, or that the structure of those interactions could result in symptoms manifesting differently or not at all.
I’ve had situations where a MacBook’s keyboard and trackpad were completely functional in Linux and Windows, but absolutely dysfunctional in any MacOS based environment. The fix? Replacement trackpad cable.
At the end of the day, the situation they’re describing is not common for the OS and indicates something is very wrong.
There’s plenty to complain about with Windows, but if this were a typical experience people would not be putting up with it.
A device with those symptoms coming through my shop is statistically likely to be leaving with replaced parts, a component level repair, or at the very least a complete OS and Driver reinstallation after passing extensive diagnostic testing and behavioral isolation.
I literally don’t turn my computer off because even with an SSD windows takes so long to boot up properly. I still have to restart it every few days because memory management is shit.
I admin several hundred Windows PCs so I’m pretty confident in saying that your computer is either a moldy potato, something is wrong with your hardware, or you have a very unusual software load. A modern Windows 10/11 desktop should go from power off to logon screen in < 30 seconds and from logon to desktop in < 30 seconds. Even an 8th Gen Core i5 with 8GB of RAM, a SATA SSD, and a full stack of security software will be ready to use in 60 seconds or less.
Whatever your problem is it ain’t “windows”…and I’m typing this comment from my home PC running Linux.
I do have several external harddrives, three monitors, and a MIDI keyboard. But “this computer will run fine as long as you don’t use the usb sockets” isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement itself.
I have a Win11 PC sitting here with a Core i5 8500t, 16G of RAM, 1T M.2 SATA NVME, attached to a three position KVM. Hooked to that KVM are three monitors (2 x DP, 1 x HDMI), wireless keyboard & mouse, Creative USB T60 speakers, and a USB WebCam (logi 970e). Since it’s a PC I use for work it’s Entra joined and InTune managed running Managed AV, MDR, and a DNS Filtering Agent. Oh, and the drive is encrypted with BitLocker.
So I basically have as much USB attached crap as you do, sans hard drives, and it’s going through the USB Hub that’s built into my KVM.
Time from power off to usable desktop for that machine is under 40 seconds.
Your external hard drives are a likely culprit. I’d guess that they are either on an older interface or your PC is set to do a full AV scan of attached drives at boot.
Don’t get it twisted, Microsoft and their products piss me off on a daily basis. I’m not defending them.
My win 11 pc (decently modern Ryzen 5600G) used to boot in 10~20 seconds, and then suddenly was taking 10+ minutes to boot. The problem? An external hdd. Removed that and instantly went back to 10~20 seconds boot. The people above 100% are having some sort of issue and just don’t know.
And Windows isn’t telling them. That’s part of the issue. If Cortana could tell them “this boot was slow because your video driver missed an update necessary for other system packages. Would you like me to show you how to fix that now?” that would be a win for your typical user.
Now THIS is a usecase that I can get behind. Microsoft shouldn’t be forcing AI, and instead just develop an optional tool for diagnosing PC issues. Problems logged in Event Viewer are not easy to understand, and an AI could be what is needed for making the unreadable into something actionable.
10 minutes??? Did Linux just won by literally doing its own thing?