I do think “StopAntisemitism” deserves being in the title; it’s a particularly loud group, not particularly representative of Israel the government (or jewish folks).
Just an absolutely abhorent organization, which deserves to be despised. No good work, just a racist organization focused on directing other racists (and actual antisemites!) away from real problems.
I would love this source: do they receive substantial funding, infrastructure and facilities, or personnel explicitly from Israel? What is their explicit tie to the government?
AFAIK (and I would really like to be wrong), this is a passion project by some absolutely terrible grifters.
You don’t have to be payed by an government to be representative of it . Every single Israel state representatives and defender use the argument of antisemitism to refer to anybody who has the least amount of criticism of Israel and even humanizing Palestinians kids like Rachel did
I do not endorse the policy of “your group/organization is represented by all people who claim to advocate for it”. I do not want leftism, Palestine, the US, democracy, lemmy, or any other organization to be judged on this basis. So I must ask for a more direct tie, if there are any.
Israel entire history is about surrounding countries hating them for antisemitism and security concern bullshit and nobody talked about people , I am talking about state policies that rarely represent the people of a country and this dumb organization use the same exact strategy. I don’t know why it’s hard for you to understand such single logic
To check that I understand you: you are saying that Israel has used the label of antisemitism in a dishonest, vague, and harmful way as a tool to silence critics?
If so, we agree on this.
You are also saying that Israel deserves to be blamed/shamed for this behavior?
If so, we agree on this.
To me, this news item is about a particularly heinous (and I believe fundamentally American) grift that needs to be noticed and focused on. I think ‘Pro-Israel group’ could be replaced with the more precise and explicit “stopantisemitism” and it would improve the title. I think there are better (and endlessly many) examples of the government of israel doing this, but fewer opportunities to explicitly pile on to stopantisemitism. I am making a quibble about priorities.
I am simply saying that this org are simply using antisemitism to oppress anybody who criticize Israel occupation or even humanize Palestinians kids exactly like Israeli consecutives governments has been doing since it’s creation
The group repeat Israel government propaganda and rhetoric so I don’t understand your criticism of the title of the article. Only mentioning the group name would make it look like it is a legitimate antisemitism group
I agree with the analogy. Your simple point is a fine one.
I think there is an opportunity to make a more specific point, that requires no analogy, is shorter and more precise, still works towards your political priorities (assuming you do want Israel shamed for this kind of behavior), and (I think) has a better chance of making specific, incremental, progress in political discourse. That change is to replace “Pro-Israel group” with “stopantisemitism” in the title. The analogy can be easily made in the OP body, comments, and likely springs to any readers mind. It also removes the potential for kibbitzing by apologists about how ‘oh but this is really an american org’.
I do think “StopAntisemitism” deserves being in the title; it’s a particularly loud group, not particularly representative of Israel the government (or jewish folks).
Just an absolutely abhorent organization, which deserves to be despised. No good work, just a racist organization focused on directing other racists (and actual antisemites!) away from real problems.
Lol what? It is definitely representative of Israeli leadership since it’s creation
I would love this source: do they receive substantial funding, infrastructure and facilities, or personnel explicitly from Israel? What is their explicit tie to the government?
AFAIK (and I would really like to be wrong), this is a passion project by some absolutely terrible grifters.
You don’t have to be payed by an government to be representative of it . Every single Israel state representatives and defender use the argument of antisemitism to refer to anybody who has the least amount of criticism of Israel and even humanizing Palestinians kids like Rachel did
I do not endorse the policy of “your group/organization is represented by all people who claim to advocate for it”. I do not want leftism, Palestine, the US, democracy, lemmy, or any other organization to be judged on this basis. So I must ask for a more direct tie, if there are any.
Israel entire history is about surrounding countries hating them for antisemitism and security concern bullshit and nobody talked about people , I am talking about state policies that rarely represent the people of a country and this dumb organization use the same exact strategy. I don’t know why it’s hard for you to understand such single logic
To check that I understand you: you are saying that Israel has used the label of antisemitism in a dishonest, vague, and harmful way as a tool to silence critics?
If so, we agree on this.
You are also saying that Israel deserves to be blamed/shamed for this behavior?
If so, we agree on this.
To me, this news item is about a particularly heinous (and I believe fundamentally American) grift that needs to be noticed and focused on. I think ‘Pro-Israel group’ could be replaced with the more precise and explicit “stopantisemitism” and it would improve the title. I think there are better (and endlessly many) examples of the government of israel doing this, but fewer opportunities to explicitly pile on to stopantisemitism. I am making a quibble about priorities.
I am simply saying that this org are simply using antisemitism to oppress anybody who criticize Israel occupation or even humanize Palestinians kids exactly like Israeli consecutives governments has been doing since it’s creation
The group repeat Israel government propaganda and rhetoric so I don’t understand your criticism of the title of the article. Only mentioning the group name would make it look like it is a legitimate antisemitism group
I agree with the analogy. Your simple point is a fine one.
I think there is an opportunity to make a more specific point, that requires no analogy, is shorter and more precise, still works towards your political priorities (assuming you do want Israel shamed for this kind of behavior), and (I think) has a better chance of making specific, incremental, progress in political discourse. That change is to replace “Pro-Israel group” with “stopantisemitism” in the title. The analogy can be easily made in the OP body, comments, and likely springs to any readers mind. It also removes the potential for kibbitzing by apologists about how ‘oh but this is really an american org’.
That’s the simple change that I’m suggesting.