Children as young as 11 who demonstrate misogynistic behaviour will be taught the difference between pornography and real relationships, as part of a multimillion-pound investment to tackle misogyny in England’s schools, the Guardian understands.
On the eve of the government publishing its long-awaited strategy to halve violence against women and girls (VAWG) in a decade, David Lammy told the Guardian that the battle “begins with how we raise our boys”, adding that toxic masculinity and keeping girls and women safe were “bound together”.
As part of the government’s flagship strategy, which was initially expected in the spring, teachers will be able to send young people at risk of causing harm on behavioural courses, and will be trained to intervene if they witness disturbing or worrying behaviour.
Is porn really behind the misogyny? What about the tards in the so-called “manosphere” saying all sorts of crazy and immoral shit? Those have more reach than whatever extremely weird pornography is supposed to be at fault. Is this what not being able to say “this is objectively wrong/right” because of Western moral relativism leads to?
Lots of things feed into it. The porn is just one of them.
This is part of a big effort to combat misogyny right now, which will be for naught when Reform rolls into power, declares it all “woke” and makes the problem 10 times worse.
It’s in the article and it’s very good. You should read it.
That was one line in a whole article focusing on knowing porn isn’t realistic and whatnot… I just feel like if they had any hard moral beliefs (could be as simple and basic as the Ten Commandments, idk), they could build on them, this feels very inefficient.
I’d prefer teaching morals outside of any religion
That should be the default position for everything, including education and law making.
Let’s be real, they’re mainly decorative in the West. You don’t BELIEVE in them, and if you could without believing in God then (some) Western societies wouldn’t be imperialistic, militaristic, materialistic, hedonistically nihilistic “societies” of amoral, lonely strangers. It doesn’t work, hence people like Andrew Tate are still allowed to have any sort of reach/exposure and porn is even a thing, just legal and everywhere. And American kids keep dying in schools while brown people get legally kidnapped and they are mostly “meh” about the whole thing one way or another because football is still on/Wicked 2 just came out…
The world would be a better place if we worshipped Satan.
Hail Satan, the source of all knowledge, pleasure, and achievement, the antithesis of god, religion, and puritanical bullshit.
The West already does, lol, at least in practice. Can’t follow God and just go around murdering, raping, pillaging all willy nilly, and let’s not forget their nihilistic hedonism, extreme selfishness, resistance to self-restraint, etc. 🤷
You obviously can follow god and go around meting and raping and pillaging.
Source: the entire fucking history of Abraham’s religion.
You can say you do, certainly.
It’s almost like religion isn’t a good replacement for morals and personal values. Who could have imagined that?
I have no idea why you thought this was a good place to start a theological discussion; but this is about porn and young men. There isn’t anything magical about this, it’s actually one of the base, most human topics and young men have been talking about sex amongst themselves since language was put to use. I don’t see any place for you or anyone to inject dogma into it.
Religion is not a replacement but the foundation for those very moral beliefs, lol. And it’s not a theological discussion, I just put out a basic set of moral tenets one can live their life through, perhaps I should’ve mentioned “the golden rule” or something like that (even if it is part of Jesus’ message too, lol). Regardless, the point is the following: whatever values the West claims to believe is never actualized into actions (freedom whilst enslaving the world, enlightenment whilst being the most legally and culturally accepted degenerate and hedonistic folks, equality while… LOL) and that’s the core of the issue, you guys don’t actually believe in anything (generally speaking, I’m sure some of you will feel attacked but if it’s not you, you know your neighbour, else MAGA and Tommy Robinson and all that shit simply wouldn’t exist) and as such your values are decorative at best, a spin usually. And maybe getting into righteous monotheism (if your religion comes from the Romans fucking with the Abrahamic faith, this isn’t your case and never has been) could be the solution. But if you figure out a way to continue being essentially nihilists (what do you collectively believe in?! Can I say that Americans think greed is a sin, for instance? Jesus thought so but the society reflects the opposite, so what exactly do y’all believe in?!) but with deep moral understandings and a strong desire to do good and avoid evil, let me know!
Maybe the issues is they do believe in the bible and christianity? This is the religion that wiped out any others that were not aligned with it’s specific message and goals. It absorbed it’s morals, rituals and holidays from the others it destroyed. I mean, there was a fucking inquisition! Crusades. How many have been murdered by not following the ‘law of god’ or not being in the ‘right’ religion? Is it really morally right to treat and trade women like possessions or farm animals? To kill the firstborn of everyone who disagrees? ‘Oh, we dont follow that part anymore, we cherry pick what we want to use and believe in.’
It does not take religion to have morals. Being religious doctrine, does not make a thing moral.
They don’t believe in the words shared by Moses (“thou shalt not kill”) or Jesus for instance, which in theory are some of the ideological pillars of their faith, so what do they believe in? I’m telling you, every one of these power hungry psychopaths in the West that are all for “Christian values” are the biggest hypocrites (and you already knew that), but those who follow them are completely misguided, reluctant to take life and God’s judgment seriously, and complicit in differing degrees to the unhealthiness and immorality of their societies.
Riiiight.
God is also decorative in the West. The most religious people in the West are also imperialistic, militaristic, materialistic, hedonistically nihilistic “societies” of amoral, lonely strangers. Clearly the problem isn’t cultural, it’s something more fundamental.
Which religion? What do they believe in? Certainly not the words of Jesus, the anti-imperialistic proto-feminist monotheist preacher of peace and righteousness, lol. The problem is sociocultural, the West hasn’t gone through their character arc, going from raiders, pillagers and murderers to the same but with tanks and bombs, and of course the Paulian Trinitarian, “faith without acts” nonsense that we call Roman Catholicism which was pushed by the powers that be at the time and is the basis for what remained in the West as a religion could never change that. This is like dating one abusive, gaslighting man and thinking that’s all love can be!
They certainly think they’re Christians.
Society and culture are downstream from the material conditions, and under the current material conditions the wealth and prosperity of society is built on the back of superexploitation, war, theft, slavery, and genocide. The kind of culture produced by empire can’t be moral, it doesn’t matter their religion or lack of religion. All moral positions are hollow under imperialism.
You aren’t going to end imperialism, militarism, materialism etc by just changing the society or the culture. It’s the exact opposite. You can only change society and culture by ending imperialism, militarism, materialism, etc etc. This is always the kind of society and culture that would have been produced by advanced capitalism, religion is entirely irrelevant.
Really living up to your name, lol
I try. 😅
Idk if you are jewish,christian or whatever else. But as a muslim i must applaud you for trying.
Salam, brother, 😁
Thing is the specific guy we’re all thinking of ran a porn company. One with little consent.
I do think porn is a symptom not a cause and targetting it wont actually help. Mistreatment of women wasnt exactly rare in say the 50s, even if it wasnt filmed for money.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv14gpj76
Well, you know all the humiliation porn, hardcore porn, rape porn and such?
That’s not a very nice representation of sex that can be considered safe for anyone, especially young humans with a developing brain.
Can we say that is objectively wrong? Or are we all so addicted to porn that we get angry as soon as it comes up in such discussions?
“Young humans” sure. Not young humans, you absolutely do you.
There’s a bit of an emerging trend in leftist European circles in particular that sees porn as inherently patriarchal and wrong and we’re not ready for how much anti-porn is going to be the new terfism yet. This is going to suck a lot, and not in a good way.
So educating children about porn equals being anti-porn?
I want education about drugs as well as liberalization of the same.
You know, the world is not black and white, left and right, like they have led you to believe.
Think with your own mind and exercise some objectivity, especially on important topics like education.
That’s a cool argument you’re having with a thing nobody said.
Educating children about sex in general is educating children about sex (and nobody here has argued against it or equated it with being anti-porn).
There is a rising trend in European lefitsm, and particularly in European feminism, that argues that all porn is inherently pernicious and ultimately should not exist.
Note those are two separate statements.
You definitely dabbled in the second of those statements when you claimed that “that [can’t] be considered safe for anyone”. Whether you meant to say what you said is in your head, but as presented that slope is both mighty slippery AND very consistent with some of the very anti sex-work trend I’m talking about. The false equivalence and misquote at the top of your response doesn’t lead me to believe you’re treating this “objectively”, either.
LOL
As I said already, if you have any doubt you can do your own research like I did instead of trying to confirm your beliefs in a random comments section.
Also I’ll point out that your arguing about leftism, feminism, terfism and whatnot like you feel persecuted when we are only talking about educating children on the difference between porn and reality and about factual (that, again, you can look up) psychological implications of consuming porn, is all incredibly weird.
Is porn that important for you? Is it such a meaningful part of your life that you can’t even stand criticism?
Or do you think porn is some kind of free expression of sexuality that should be protected?
I like drugs and I use them, but I don’t lose my mind whenever a study finds out that this or the other substance is harming me.
What the actual fuck mate?
I, once again, did not say or imply that I am persecuted in any way.
I do think porn is free expression, of sexuality and otherwise, and should be protected about as much as any other form of free expression. Which is not universally and without limit, before you try that one.
And all of that is not the same as saying I “can’t stand criticism” about it. Which I didn’t say or think. I will actively, aggressively criticise actual porn, both as a media product and as an industry.
Once again, the strawmanning and talking points aren’t doing much to disprove the notion that anti-porn activism will become the new TERF-like trojan horse wedge among ostensible leftist movements going forward. People don’t like to talk about those, but they are bad and this is incoming.
Again you keep talking about leftism and such, but you should invest the time you are wasting with this empty walls of text in reading some research on porn.
Would be definitely healthier than watching porn itself or fueling your paranoia against whoever you think is your enemy.
Good luck!
Hey, if you just happen to be a run of the mill traditional prudish conservative that would actually be mildly heartening. I genuinely don’t care about those continuing to run that line.
Still not wrong about the underlying issue, though. And for the record, I don’t think anti-porn so-called “abolitionists” are “my enemy”. I think all left of center forces are my allies, personally. The problem is single issue wedges used as hostile propaganda do work, as seen very clearly in the case of trans issues.
that’s porn
it’s not real life
A simple web search will prove you wrong.
the porn is porn
the real life incidents are real life
And teaching young kids about the difference is important, because you are 100% right but kids don’t realize unless taught.
I’m not talking about the tragic endings of the process, but about the process itself.
More violent porn being consumed leads to more demand of the same. It basically rewires your brain, like drugs. Look it up if you have any doubt.
Educating about porn should be mandatory like educating about drugs and all similarly harmful stuff.
So, rough sex is inherently bad?
That’s a pretty wild stretch to back bigotry.
No no, I’m sure the industry is completely reformed since
Linda LovelessTwo Girls One Cup.Of course it is, it’s grotesque! But it’s faaaaaaar from the core of the issue. Men can be/are misogynistic way before they get a girl in bed consensually… like I said in another reply, very inefficient, like ice on broken leg.
It’s funny because your religion is deeply misogynistic too and that is blatant even in the cringe commandments.
I’m not Christian/Catholic/Trinitarian, I just mentioned the commandments because they stand on their own and they’re closer to the West…
So close that they shaped the patriarchal society we live in.
No, thanks.
The “patriarchy” is not why women are mistreated and porn is rampant… What kind of father wants his daughter to be abused or become a prostitute?! Your framework is all wonky and the words are all wrong.
Patriarch != father
Today you learned.
I mean, if we’re doing doublethink with basic words what else can I say, lol.
What world is it that you live in? Maybe trump didn’t want his daughters to become prostitutes, but that didn’t stop him and many other men with daughters to abuse children younger or the same age as their own daughters. Maybe if you spent some time in the real world, and less in a magical one; you could see that many things exist in it.
Because of the “patriarchy”? What are we talking about here?
Probably the same fathers and mothers who
momentsmolest their children, sell them to pay for bills and drugs and anything else.Let’s not pretend other religions’ adherents don’t also indulge in/participate in/create porn, human trafficking, and other horrific abuses of adults and children. From Buddhists to taoists to Hindus and monotheists and everyone else.
And to keep it fair, even atheists.
Human beings make mistakes and are sinful/antisocial at times, of course, but not every sociocultural group condones, excuses and even legalises these failures of character.
When it keeps happening by people in positions of an authority, it’s a pattern of abuse, not a mistake. And predators are really good at masking and positioning as authority figures or other power positions.
I’m not sure if your arguments are conditioning/naïveté, gaslighting, plain ignorance, or gaslighting, but they sound a lot like abusers I’ve encountered, inside societal institutions. I invite you to reflect rather than deflect and excuse the inexcusable.