Russia opposes Taiwan’s independence in any form and considers the island an inseparable part of China, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in remarks published on Sunday.
In an interview with Russia’s TASS state news agency, Lavrov also urged Japan to “think carefully” about what he described as a course towards militarisation".
please notice me, Xi senpai 🥺
Let’s see the .ml geniuses justify that
I prefer alternative imperialistic powers! /S
China owns Russia.
And Russia shares the US with Israel every other weekend
We all knew Russia is now China’s puppet. But I didn’t realize China is also so good at ventriloquism.
Maybe their situation is something like this:
Or, more likely, Russia supports China’s annexation of Taiwan and China supports Russia’s annexation of Ukraine.
China supports Russia’s annexation of Ukraine.
I am not so sure. China has clearly said that it can’t afford Russia to lose the war in Ukraine. But there is the point that China can neither afford Russia to win, or at least the Chinese don’t want Russia to win.
China wants both a weak Europe and a weak Russia (as well as weak, disunited ‘partners’ around the globe; Trump’s attacks against the EU’s existence plays into China’s hands imho). If everyone aroudn is distracted and busy with domestic problems, economic and political coercion work much better, and it makes it easier for the Chinese government to pursue its own advantages - in Siberia, Taiwan, in the South China Sea, in global trade, … I may be mistaken, of course, but that’s my opinion.
It seems to me the whole world has always been about assholes supporting each other - until their interests don’t allign anymore - while they all keep the common idiots fighting each other.
China’s stance on the annexation of Ukraine is nowhere as clear as Russia’s on the annexation of Taiwan.
No one asked them
Why do all these countries (including the USA) keep talking about other countries like they have a say? What does Russia’s word have anything to do with Taiwans independence? Russia can’t even take over a country the size of Texas, right on their own border while losing hundreds of thousands of its soldiers AND all of their n.Korean conscripts. Why does anyone care what Russia thinks anymore?
They’re signaling their intentions that would come to fruition either through international law or warfare. It’s the big diplomatic game that has played out since countries existed.
Because imperialist countries fighting each other still exists
Because consolidation of power and insulating hierarchies, always leads to this.
The reason anyone cares are hegemony, self justification, and that despite the fact that while Russia is is mired in Ukraine. They are still a threat.
Since you included the US, up until recently, the US made it clear it would defend Taiwan from a Chinese invasion. That has made a significant difference to China’s calculations about its own imperialism.
China gave it to Japan than Taiwan got liberated from Japan. China has zero valid claim on Taiwan
Like legality ever stopped any invasions by aggressive regimes
I was discussing legality though. I am aware that in real life it is still the law of the jungle who wins
Who liberated Taiwan from Japan?
It doesn’t matter. Only taiwanese has the right to decide for themselves if they want to be part of China, or japan, any other country or be indepedent
LOL. So it matters that it was part of China, then part of Japan, but it stops mattering after that? Really?
Which country liberated Taiwan from Japan?
The republic of China, i.e Taiwan.
As a result of the surrender and occupation of Japan at the end of World War II, the islands of Taiwan and Penghu were placed under the governance of the Republic of China (ROC),[note 1] ruled by the Kuomintang (KMT), on 25 October 1945. Following the February 28 massacre in 1947, martial law was declared in 1949 by the Governor of Taiwan, Chen Cheng, and the ROC Ministry of National Defense. Following the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949, the ROC government retreated from the mainland as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) proclaimed the establishment of the People’s Republic of China (PRC). The KMT retreated to Taiwan and declared Taipei the temporary capital of the ROC. For many years, the ROC and PRC each continued to claim in the diplomatic arena to be the sole legitimate government of “China”. In 1971, the United Nations expelled the ROC and replaced it with the PRC.
In 1987, martial law was lifted and Taiwan began a democratisation process, beginning with the abolition of the Temporary Provisions and culminating with the first direct president election in 1996. By 2000, the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) came to power and began to pursue Taiwanese independence and identity.
Right, so the answer is that the legal entity known as “China” liberated the Chinese province of Taiwan from Japan, while 2 different Chinese political factions argued over who was really in charge of the legal entity of China, and in fact, the rest of the international community, which ultimately detines countries through consensus participated in this construction as well, asserting that there was only one China and choosing one political faction or the other as who they saw as the legitimate government of that singular legal entity.
So to complete the thread - the nation-state of China colonized the island nation of Taiwan in the early 1600s as frontier land, the nation-state of China incorporated it into the nation-state of China in the late 1600s, the nation-state of China ceded it under duress to the imperialist nation-state of Japan when they lost a war of aggression launched by Japan, then the nation-state of China liberated the island of Taiwan in1945, making it legally part of the nation-state of China again.
This status has not changed since then.
This seems correct, except for that last bit.
For example, when the allied forces liberated France, the liberated forces did not then own France.
The French owned France.
Correct after liberation the territory reverts to the ownership of the nation state prior to occupation
So you failed to read the linked text entirely?
The goverment of China, which then became the goverment of Taiwan shortly thereafter, liberated Taiwan. Then, in the 1980s, Taiwain opened up to democracy, and elects its own leaders.
So yes, its very clear who liberated and governs Taiwan, Taiwan itself.
No I read it. You’re just making a logical leap and refusing to admit it. Political parties do not own national territory. For example the Republican Party does not own Wyoming the United States of America does. In fact the only way that a political movement is able to claim ownership of territory owned by the nation state that the political movement is a part of is for that political movement to secede from that nation state as the Confederacy did. This is not happened in Taiwan. There is one legal entity internationally recognized in this debate and it is the legal entity of the nation-state of China. Inner workings of a given nation state are not subject to international consensus the existence of a political party inside the United States is an internal matter. Whether or not the green party exists is not a question of international consensus. But whether a nation state exists is a matter of international consensus. There has never been an international consensus that there are two nation states one in Taiwan and one in mainland China. The international consensus has consistently been for several centuries that there is one nation state called China and the internal political movements within the nation state of China are an issue exclusively for the people of China to resolve and manage.
So while you may claim that the KMT is a separate internationally legal entity from the CPC the reality is that both of those organizations are Chinese they belong to the nation of China and their schism is a matter of internal Chinese politics. The KMT and the subsequent governing body of the island of Taiwan have never declared independence nor seceded from the nation state of China.
Taiwan itself claims to be a part of China. They claim to be the temporarily embarrassed government of China in fact.
It is an ongoing civil dispute between factions in China, of which Taiwan is a part. This is all clearly outlined in the arguments and citations above. Including yours.
You just don’t like it.
Everything do not matter except that Taiwanese are the only legitimate people to decide if they want to be part of China, Japan, any other country or stay an independent country.
And the majority have chosen to not decide at all.
But there are differences between formal status and de facto status.
A truly independent state has its own government and its own military. This is critical because the Chinese government has been very clear that it will not attempt to reintegrate Taiwan by force, knowing that doing so will create a terrible resistance movement that will make life bad for everyone.
But the Chinese government is also clear that if the US brings its military to Taiwan and establishes the island as a de facto or actual US military base then it will invade. If Taiwan allows the US to establish such a base there, then the locla Taiwan government is not choosing independence but vassalage.
What? The CCP has been extremely consistent in its position that use of force is absolutely on the table.
EDIT: Fuck it’s .ml … got me again
Yes, the use of force is on the table IF the US or other nation uses Taiwan to create a threat of force against the mainland.
China’s official position, consistently reiterated by Xi and other officials, is that they reserve the right to use force primarily in the context of the Taiwan issue to prevent formal Taiwanese independence or foreign interference
Not having an opinion is still a decision. As long as the majority of Taiwanese do not say yes then China has no right to take it even peacefully. The hypocritical west also has zero right to tell Taiwanese what they should do
How would the Chinese government “take” Taiwan peacefully? The Chinese government position is very clear on Taiwan - Taiwan will come to desire integration with the Chinese government over time as relations between the mainland and the island improve (remember Taiwan was openly fascist until 1992, which is only 34 years ago) and as relations between the island and the West deteriorate.
Right now, the status of Taiwan is as ambiguous as the status of the dominance of the Western global system. When the KMT fled after their loss, all of China was totally impoverished after a century of humiliation at the hands of the imperialists. As the imperialists do, to create division, they improve the material conditions for a subset of people - in this case they invested in fascist Taiwan and developed it into an economic power, just like they did with Hong Kong. The purpose of this was to make the people living in the island prefer working with the rich imperialists over working with the very very poor communists, and of course it worked. But, as the West continues to sunset, Taiwan will get less and less economic benefit from aligning with the imperialists, and the whole dynamic will slowly, naturally change.
The problem here, as ever, is not actually the Chinese government but the Western governments.
Trump is Russia’s bitch and now it is obvious that Russia is China’s bitch. China won.
How about in the form of the Chinese government’s not being able to directly control Taiwan for 76 years?
“Save us, China!”
What an unpredictable quote…
