China launched its most extensive war games around Taiwan on Monday to showcase Beijing’s ability to cut off the island from outside support in a conflict, testing Taipei’s resolve to defend itself and its arsenal of U.S.-made weapons.

The Eastern Theatre Command said it had deployed troops, warships, fighter jets and artillery for its “Justice Mission 2025” exercises to encircle the democratically governed island, conduct live fire and simulated strikes on land and sea targets, and drills to blockade Taiwan’s main ports.

The live-firing exercises will continue on Tuesday across a record seven zones designated by China’s Maritime Safety Administration, making the drills the largest to date by total coverage and in areas closer to Taiwan than previous exercises. The military had initially said artillery firing would be confined to five zones.

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    Why is it that talkies are having a very hard time understanding a difference between training to invade vs training to defend?

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      From the article itself:

      The exercises began 11 days after the U.S. announced $11.1 billion in arms sales to Taiwan

      How is China the aggressor here? Imagine if Cuba suddenly imported $11bn in weapons from Russia, do you think that would warrant no reaction from the US administration?

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        “I had to kill him, officer, he was attending self defence classes with the intent to hit me.”

        /s

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            Just like Russia was doing completely innocent military exercises near the Ukrainian border in the run up to waging all out years long war on its much smaller neighbour. Oops, sorry, no, you don’t call it that, you call it a three day “special military operation”.

            /s in case you missed it.

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                In the case of any superpower actually being invaded, nukes would start flying everywhere. It wouldn’t make a lick of difference if any island has 5 or 500 airbases.

                Are you really this dense?

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                  I did not say “China getting invaded” though, did I? I specified the possibility of a military blockade of China’s seas

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                    miltary conflict or economic blockade of China

                    So we’re just lying now?

                    And the concept of China even being bothered by a blockade? Lmfao what year do you think this is? You think this is some WWII Pacific Theater where aircraft carriers and islands and air strips matter? China has about 9000 miles of mainland coast and all the technology and expertise to defend or strike from any part of it. Taiwan, as they’ve demonstrated, could be locked down (or glassed) at whim.

                    If they didn’t have the annexation ambition, they could wave goodbye to an independent Taiwan today and be close allies in a decade. You accuse the USA of buying Taiwan as a puppet but there is literally nothing stopping China from doing the same thing (with better leverage). Hell, they’ve already shown they can take that route in other small countries but pride and greed prevents them from doing it in Taiwan.

                    The fact is that they want hostility and instability in the region in the same way that Russia wants instability in Europe and the USA wants it in the Middle East. Little islands waving guns is a great excuse to step in and start “liberating” resources people.

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                She was asking for it, did you see what she was wearing?

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                  Oh, I wasn’t aware that China actually invaded Taiwan! When did that happen? Oh, wait, it’s only in your mind, I see.

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                    Ouch, you’re unironically trying to play that card? Embarrassing.

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      “No, you see, my side is the good one and the defensive one in the upcoming war”

      -Every nation in every single war in history

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        Are you worried Taiwan is going to invade Beijing? Is chinas army that incompetent?

        I mean, it would be cool if they did but I don’t think even corrupt Chinese generals are that worthless.

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          No, I’m not worried Taiwan is going to invade Beijing. I’m worried that the USA will attempt to put in place a seafare blockade against China together with the puppet nations of Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, attempting to generate a casus belli for China against either of them and to manufacture another Ukraine but in the Chinese Sea.

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              I mean, there is some nuance to be considered here. The USA has made it abundantly clear that they plan for a major conflict in the South China Sea for over a decade now.

              When they finally left Afghanistan, the plan wasn’t to bring the troops home and never go on another campaign again. It was about shifting priorities. That’s what we’re seeing now.

              I don’t mean to downplay the aggressive aspects of this military exercise, I’m just saying there are multiple shades of gray here and that we lose some of the power to explain what’s happening if we amp up the contrast too much.

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        Whoever is trying to capture territory from the other side is the invader by definition, putting the other side on the defence, as per definition.

        Are you saying Estonia wants to invade Russia? Dude’s clown costume’s made from diamonds

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          Oh, sorry, I forgot, when did China invade Taiwan? Or anyone for that matter, since China hasn’t participated in a single war in 40 years.

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            Expansionism can happen without official war declaration, but still a conflict. See: Tibet, Honk Kong, parts of Mongolia

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              You mean the Taiwanese claim over such territories? I agree, it’s disgusting

              Thank God the PRC liberated Hong Kong from British colonial rule!

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                This is delusional and you know it. Some obsolete map you pulled out from history and somehow trying to present it as a valid argument. Taiwan just wants to be independant, they don’t want to start conquering Asia, take the pills.

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                  The “obsolete” map, pulled from Wikipedia, is the territorial claims of the Republic of china as of 30th of December of 2025, definitely not obsolete.

                  As for the identity of Taiwanese people, you’re very sure of something that’s hugely polemical within Taiwan:

                  The manufacturing of a Taiwanese identity is fairly recent as you can see, and still many people feel both Chinese and Taiwanese.

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                    If the CCP were to let the people of Taiwan decide their political system then this question of identity is moot, the people would simply decide what government they identify with. Bringing up identity in this context is like saying a government owns a particular identity, which it never does, it always belongs to the people.

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          I don’t know about that, but I think the whole framework of “historical legitimacy” is flawed. Regardless of history, it’s ultimately the people who get to decide what government is legitimate for them.

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            If a majority of the Taiwanese wanted to be ruled by CCP then it would already have happened

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          Taiwan was never a separate country from the rest of China. It’s only being separated because America wants it separated. A divided China is a weaker China.

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            A divided China is a weaker China

            This honestly feels like mental illness. Imagine rapist screaming at the victim “I can’t get stronger unless we unite” while threatening to kill her.

            Dude, get over it, Taiwan has moved on, they have their separate lives and don’t want anything to do with China, just like Ukraine (who was part of Soviet union) does not want Russia and will likely result in a long and costly war. I too would go guerilla of someone tried to invade my country.

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            CCP didn’t take it when the current Taiwan gov moved there, they only took the mainland.

            That’s literally the definition of how countries split in two

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              The countries have not split into two. It’s still one country.

              Both ROC and PROC agree on this.

              Only America wants to break them apart because they can make Taiwan a vassal state similar to how they broke Korea apart and make South Korea a vassal state of the American empire.

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                Congratulations you’re Mongolian (or Roman or British)

                Do you have any idea how many countries do the same thing yet are considered different countries? Russia insists Ukraine is part of them (for incoherent historical reasons), you have the European east block, plenty of countries named East X versus West X.

                You even mentioned Korea yourself where both insists they’re one country but the whole world understands there’s 2 separate countries claiming the same territory but each with control of separate subsets of that territory, and they de facto operate as separate countries. Considering the opposing government as illegitimate doesn’t negate its existence.

                Your worldview is incoherent.

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                They so not agree on this, stop watching CCP propaganda. CCP is the only one pushing for this in the entire world with some allies like Russia simply backing it up. This is an imperialism move and you know it.