The United States has captured Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and flown him out of the country in a stunning military operation that plucked a sitting leader from office following months of escalating Trump administration pressure on the oil-rich South American nation.
In what universe would Harris bomb Venezuela and kidnap Nicolás Maduro and his wife? Are you nuts?
At some point the people just doubling down on this train of thought just make me reassess how warped and delusional the argument was during the actual election. I guess when you have the luxury of a hypothetical you can just go forever. Trump will pass a law requiring him to rub his bare ass onto every single female politician and these guys will be going “do you really not think Harris would have her hairy asshole pushed onto people as well?”
Ah, we’ve moved on to the “maybe they wouldn’t have done this batshit crazy thing, but they would have done other things that are bad, so they’re the same”.
Except, obviously, a good way of telling that two things aren’t the same is that they’re different. Also, in cased you missed it, Trump bombed Nigeria on Christmas day. So this isn’t an “or” thing, this is an “and” thing.
Only clones are exacly the same. It is a fact that the US is sn imperlist power who love to destabilize and destroy other countries supported by the two political cults you have
But there are differences between both US political parties, and given the choice, any non-American should absolutely be hoping the actively fascist party loses, obviously.
The notion that they’re both equivalent is so farcical it didn’t hold up to any scrutiny at the time when it mattered, and anybody that pushed that notion then is now partially responsible for this whole mess.
If you are not american that is even worse to defend one of the two cults.
Edit: Nobody said they are exatly the same. The democratic cult is better on domestic affairs but when it come to imperialism they are similar both was involved in bombing and destroying other countries
No, it’s not, that’s not how that works. If one side is ideologically unpalatable and the other side is a gaggle of crazy fascists it’s perfectly valid to propose that one of the two sides is better than the other. Especially if you don’t have as much of a vested interest in domestic reform.
Yes, the lesser of two evil is still evil. And that’s the one you vote for, or want the locals to vote for, because we’re not running on Hannah Barbera levels of cartoon logic.
I swear, burn down the Internet. It was all a mistake.
Trump will pass a law requiring him to rub his bare ass onto every single female congressman and these guys will be going “do you really not think Harris would have her hairy asshole pushed onto people as well?”
I see, you don’t understand the difference between domestic policy and foreign policy.
No faction in the US represents my interests, on account of my not being American.
But man, if I have to choose which faction is more likely to, say, roll up with tanks into Greenland, annex Canada or, and I can’t repeat this enough, bomb Caracas and kidnap Nicolás Maduro and his goddamn wife, I am pretty sure there is a single correct answer.
Dude, it really is embarrassing. If they’re not foreign trolls, then so many people on this site have literally zero fucking idea how the US government works. They read the Communist Manifesto, and maybe some Lenin, and now they’re talking like they’re ready to lead a revolution in a 1910s agrarian society, and anyone even mildly critical is their enemy. Fucking useful idiots.
But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to make it close.
Omar El-Akkad, noted embarrassing child
It’s not yet a genocide in Venezuela, but the logic of “soul damage” absolutely applies.
Yes, you weirdo.
In what universe would Harris bomb Venezuela and kidnap Nicolás Maduro and his wife? Are you nuts?
At some point the people just doubling down on this train of thought just make me reassess how warped and delusional the argument was during the actual election. I guess when you have the luxury of a hypothetical you can just go forever. Trump will pass a law requiring him to rub his bare ass onto every single female politician and these guys will be going “do you really not think Harris would have her hairy asshole pushed onto people as well?”
We live in the dumbest dystopia.
Obama bombed multiple african country. Maybe Harris eould have not attacked Venezuela but she could bomb other countries
Also let see how many establishment dems will condemn the abduction
Ah, we’ve moved on to the “maybe they wouldn’t have done this batshit crazy thing, but they would have done other things that are bad, so they’re the same”.
Except, obviously, a good way of telling that two things aren’t the same is that they’re different. Also, in cased you missed it, Trump bombed Nigeria on Christmas day. So this isn’t an “or” thing, this is an “and” thing.
Only clones are exacly the same. It is a fact that the US is sn imperlist power who love to destabilize and destroy other countries supported by the two political cults you have
Yes, nobody denied that and defended it here
Who is “you”? I’m not American.
But there are differences between both US political parties, and given the choice, any non-American should absolutely be hoping the actively fascist party loses, obviously.
The notion that they’re both equivalent is so farcical it didn’t hold up to any scrutiny at the time when it mattered, and anybody that pushed that notion then is now partially responsible for this whole mess.
If you are not american that is even worse to defend one of the two cults.
Edit: Nobody said they are exatly the same. The democratic cult is better on domestic affairs but when it come to imperialism they are similar both was involved in bombing and destroying other countries
No, it’s not, that’s not how that works. If one side is ideologically unpalatable and the other side is a gaggle of crazy fascists it’s perfectly valid to propose that one of the two sides is better than the other. Especially if you don’t have as much of a vested interest in domestic reform.
That’s an absurdly childish stance.
One side is better overall than the other but here we are talking about imperialism they are similar not 100% but they are similar.
You are childish with your bullshit of the lesser of two evil. The lesser of the two evil is still evil
Yes, the lesser of two evil is still evil. And that’s the one you vote for, or want the locals to vote for, because we’re not running on Hannah Barbera levels of cartoon logic.
I swear, burn down the Internet. It was all a mistake.
There he is!
Unironically yes
The one where I wasn’t born yesterday
I see, you don’t understand the difference between domestic policy and foreign policy.
You… think the differentiating element there is domestic vs foreign policy? That’s the objection you…
… you know what? I rest my case.
No, I think you’ve been duped by one faction of the capitalist class into thinking they represent your interests.
No faction in the US represents my interests, on account of my not being American.
But man, if I have to choose which faction is more likely to, say, roll up with tanks into Greenland, annex Canada or, and I can’t repeat this enough, bomb Caracas and kidnap Nicolás Maduro and his goddamn wife, I am pretty sure there is a single correct answer.
Yeah, the correct answer is both of them, since both parties are subservient to the will of the capitalist class.
Man, save me from cosplayers playing at revolution online.
It’s embarrassing, you know? Like watching your little child try to act like you and accidentally exposing all your garbage.
Dude, it really is embarrassing. If they’re not foreign trolls, then so many people on this site have literally zero fucking idea how the US government works. They read the Communist Manifesto, and maybe some Lenin, and now they’re talking like they’re ready to lead a revolution in a 1910s agrarian society, and anyone even mildly critical is their enemy. Fucking useful idiots.
It’s not yet a genocide in Venezuela, but the logic of “soul damage” absolutely applies.
You said it, not me.