Words carry meaning. Which is why news media is careful of the words they use because some words to avoid showing intent they don’t actually have. If someone interprets your intent based on the words you choose, when they get your intent wrong, it may be because you aren’t choosing the best words to convey your intent.
So, do you believe that the violation of Venezuelan sovereignty and coup of their leadership is justified?
Maduro was not elected as leader and basically stole his position from the rightful leader of the country according to democratic norms. He’s not a legitimate leader so I really don’t car about him in terms of any legal terms since his hold on power was dependent on his ability to exert violence on the people of Venezuela. The issue isn’t Maduro, it’s the ~80 people that US forces killed on their way in to get him. Had it been a bloodless operation, there would then be potential violence caused by the instability created potentially leading to a civil war in the country.
Now I get to ask you a question. If the US conducted similar operations in Israel and/or Russia to arrest Netanyahu and/or Putin, would you consider that a kidnapping? Are we only in disagreement over which world leaders should be arrested or which political body is allowed to call for world leaders to be arrested?
So, do you believe that the violation of Venezuelan sovereignty and coup of their leadership is justified?
The nature by which Maduro has and maintains power does not make him a legitimate leader. Putin is a leader in power by similar means. Netanyahu on the other hand is democratically elected. So do you believe that a violation of Israeli sovereignty and a coup on their leadership is justified? Should the media be reporting that the ICJ wants to “kidnap” Netanyahu?
Personally I think Netanyahu is a bad dude, but arresting a sitting leader of a country is attempting to exert political force, not seeking justice. Same goes for Maduro. But Netanyahu is elected (in a proportional representation system, which sucks but it is a democracy) so has legitimacy as leader of a country while Maduro doesn’t have that legitimacy. If the ICJ waited until after he was no longer in power that would be seeking justice, but doing so while a leader is in power is a geopolitical thing, not a justice thing. But Even if there was a world where some country arrested Netanyahu, I still wouldn’t be demanding the news media term it a “kidnapping” because that’s stupid.
Do you believe the President should be conducting similar operations in Columbia and Cuba as stated and Greenland as leaked?
These operations would be even more stupid than the operation in Venezuela. If they were done on democratic countries, it would be a violation of the will of the people and that would be a true violation of sovereignty. In Canada and Greenland there are free and fair elections. For Cuba, while there are elections, it’s a one party system so the elections aren’t exactly free and fair. So Cuba’s government’s legitimacy is in a grey area. For Canada and Geenland it would be attacking allied countries, a massive betrayal and it in time it would result in the end of the USA.
To me, crying crocodile tears over Maduro accomplished nothing other than making people seem like they like Maduro. Like it’s not oppressive governments that are the problem it’s just personal preference over which particular leader of oppressive governments you like or don’t like. Maybe it’s not your intention, but at this point you’re upset over the media not crying enough crocodile tears over one leader of an oppressive government because maybe you feel like that will make Trump look bad somehow? The reality is that it would be the media pushing propaganda which isn’t their job (and obviously doesn’t line up with the reality that Maduro was a bad dude) which really only helps Trump’s narrative that you shouldn’t trust the “fake news” media. A narrative that you’re helping push only from a different angle.
It’s all a big grey area here. But it seems you want to demand other people to use certain words to make it feel like something is illegal. What do you think that will accomplish? Even if you successfully make out Trump’s actions to be illegal, you’ve already made the case it would be a violation of sovereignty and kidnapping for anyone to do anything about it. And that’s only if it were feasible to do anything about it, which it isn’t.
Words carry meaning. Which is why news media is careful of the words they use because some words to avoid showing intent they don’t actually have. If someone interprets your intent based on the words you choose, when they get your intent wrong, it may be because you aren’t choosing the best words to convey your intent.
Maduro was not elected as leader and basically stole his position from the rightful leader of the country according to democratic norms. He’s not a legitimate leader so I really don’t car about him in terms of any legal terms since his hold on power was dependent on his ability to exert violence on the people of Venezuela. The issue isn’t Maduro, it’s the ~80 people that US forces killed on their way in to get him. Had it been a bloodless operation, there would then be potential violence caused by the instability created potentially leading to a civil war in the country.
Now I get to ask you a question. If the US conducted similar operations in Israel and/or Russia to arrest Netanyahu and/or Putin, would you consider that a kidnapping? Are we only in disagreement over which world leaders should be arrested or which political body is allowed to call for world leaders to be arrested?
The nature by which Maduro has and maintains power does not make him a legitimate leader. Putin is a leader in power by similar means. Netanyahu on the other hand is democratically elected. So do you believe that a violation of Israeli sovereignty and a coup on their leadership is justified? Should the media be reporting that the ICJ wants to “kidnap” Netanyahu?
Personally I think Netanyahu is a bad dude, but arresting a sitting leader of a country is attempting to exert political force, not seeking justice. Same goes for Maduro. But Netanyahu is elected (in a proportional representation system, which sucks but it is a democracy) so has legitimacy as leader of a country while Maduro doesn’t have that legitimacy. If the ICJ waited until after he was no longer in power that would be seeking justice, but doing so while a leader is in power is a geopolitical thing, not a justice thing. But Even if there was a world where some country arrested Netanyahu, I still wouldn’t be demanding the news media term it a “kidnapping” because that’s stupid.
These operations would be even more stupid than the operation in Venezuela. If they were done on democratic countries, it would be a violation of the will of the people and that would be a true violation of sovereignty. In Canada and Greenland there are free and fair elections. For Cuba, while there are elections, it’s a one party system so the elections aren’t exactly free and fair. So Cuba’s government’s legitimacy is in a grey area. For Canada and Geenland it would be attacking allied countries, a massive betrayal and it in time it would result in the end of the USA.
To me, crying crocodile tears over Maduro accomplished nothing other than making people seem like they like Maduro. Like it’s not oppressive governments that are the problem it’s just personal preference over which particular leader of oppressive governments you like or don’t like. Maybe it’s not your intention, but at this point you’re upset over the media not crying enough crocodile tears over one leader of an oppressive government because maybe you feel like that will make Trump look bad somehow? The reality is that it would be the media pushing propaganda which isn’t their job (and obviously doesn’t line up with the reality that Maduro was a bad dude) which really only helps Trump’s narrative that you shouldn’t trust the “fake news” media. A narrative that you’re helping push only from a different angle.
It’s all a big grey area here. But it seems you want to demand other people to use certain words to make it feel like something is illegal. What do you think that will accomplish? Even if you successfully make out Trump’s actions to be illegal, you’ve already made the case it would be a violation of sovereignty and kidnapping for anyone to do anything about it. And that’s only if it were feasible to do anything about it, which it isn’t.