old person voice
Back in my day we had proper distros!
Btw: I was just stupid, and a bit to determined to install arch. So i wasted an hour on my internet connection (3 commands). And another four to find archinstall… This was 2 years ago…
I used arch btw
I used eos as my main distro before switching to kubuntu and then to cachyos. One of best arch Linux forks. It is just like arch Linux + archinstall but is actually better than it.
Linux users when you use Windows: 😡
Linux users when you use Linux: 😡
Just use Arch like a normal well adjusted person
Stimulate your Autism and use Gentoo it’s quite fun.
Weirdly enough, I never tried Gentoo. What it will do to my autism that Arch doesn’t do already?
Me when you use Windows: :|
Me when you use Linux: :DDIt’s sad that there is a very vocal group of Linux users that will complain about every choice other Linux users make. But it’s silly to be complaining about it, especially as that complaining keeps detracting people away from Linux. And I think there’s lots of value in bringing people to Linux. In a time where Microsoft is turning a fairly useful OS into a platform whose only purpose is invasive telemetry and invasive marketing, Linux is a way to take back control of our computers. Linux gives you back more choice on what to do with your computer. And just because I don’t personally agree with certain choices, that doesn’t mean that everyone should be prohibited from making them, or that I get to scream with whoever makes those choices. Here’s a final suggestion: be kind with one another, as there is already enough hatred in this world.
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EndeavourOS is my favorite of most everything so far, and I started back during the Slackware days.
Same!
I choose a distro based on the name and logo. If the distro doesn’t feel cool anymore, I switch.
That’s why I use Hannah Montanna Linux
That’d be so cool if someone were doing that. Just upgrading all the way since back then… when was HML? Something like 2007?
I call that the IPA method
This is why I never used Ubuntu.
And Fedora? I can’t look anyone in the eye and tell them thats my operating system.
UwUntu is the correct one, surely
I installed Artix yesterday.
Absent-mindedly.
Meant to install AntiX.
Didn’t realise until done.
XD
A silly grep for “tix” (not “tiX”) in iso dir, saw the various inits, + dyslexia + haste, went with it thinking I had the right ones to dd to usb. So absent minded all the artix logos in my face didn’t phase me through booting and installing. XD
Doesn’t really matter. Installed AntiX straight after. Hijacked with bedrocklinux and installing the other to another stratum too anyway. I just wanted antiX for hijack default init stratum from the start, for a more stable (slower-upgrading) base.
Fun that two distros offering init freedom are so similarly named. Just one letter and one capitalisation different. r > n & x > X.
Well. That was fun. LOL.
Can you choose your init in Arch or EndeavourOS yet?
You mean “can you remove systemd”? Short answer: yes.
Should you do it? Only if you’re fucking insane.
Just use Artix if you care that much
You mean “can you remove systemd”? Short answer: yes.
? you can? I’d rather start without it, than try to remove it.
Should you do it? Only if you’re fucking insane.
Why do you say that?
Just use Artix if you care that much
Or Devuan (or any devuan respin), or CRUX, or Gentoo, or VoidLinux, or Slackware, or GuixSD, or Loc-OS, or Alpine, or Joborun, or Hyperbola, or Parabola, or Venom, or PCLinuxOS, or GoboLinux, or SulinOS, or KISS Linux, or Carbs Linux, or LigurOS, or Dragora, or GlaucusLinux, or NutyX, or AntiX, or MXLinux, or Slitaz, or Puppy (or any pup respins), or PuffOS, or TinyCore, or Slax, or Chimera, or NXOS, or Peppermint, or LFS, or CalculateLinux, or RedCore Linux, or Obarun, or BedrockLinux, 4MLinux, or Absolute Linux, or Austrumi Linux, or BharOS, or CalyxOS, or Damn Small Linux, or DivestOS, or Dyne:bolic, or e, or Knoppix, or Kwort Linux, or LibreCMC, or LightOS, or LineageOS, or Nanolinux, or Porteus, or Salix, or Source Mage, or VectorLinux, or Vine Linux, or Zenwalk, or Zeroshell, or…
… Or any of the BSDs, or SerenityOS, or any of the AROS distros, or the one Ironclad distro (Gloire), or any of the OpenSolaris distros, or ReactOS, or Redox, or Kolibrios, or SculptOS, or Plan9/9Front, or Haiku, or…
… Did I miss any? [Edit… oh, I missed dozens]
It’s not like there’s just one, nor even just an “insane” few, to avoid systemd. Contrary to the corporate encouraged misinfo smears going around.
Even if one is insistent users stay in the arch cult, there are like half a dozen options.
I prefer freedom of choice.
Long live init-freedom.
Defy group-think dogma.
[PS, I do like the play on “Just use Mint”. ;)]
I say insane because Arch is very much not made to run without systemd, and you would need to make a lot of changes to make it work without it.
So, as you say, just choose a distro without systemd
I get that people like things to be easier, but honestly, Arch’s installation process is so streamlined these days that I don’t see that as the selling point. However, if it provides a better driver experience, then that’s cool. Simply not something I need.
EOS provides some more QoL features, it’s not just the installation itself (a button to update mirrors, auto keyring update, some nice pre-installed things like yay, etc)
If you need an Arch installation ready to go out of the box, EOS is a solid choice.
Edit: not trying to convince you to jump to EOS, just providing a bit more context about the distro
Yeah, that’s cool. For me, the beauty of Arch is how naked it is when I install it. It’s like “least priveleges” but for my workstation. I only add the crap I want. No more, no less.
I cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.1 way back in '97 or whenever the hell that came out. Suffice it to say, that OS was naked as hell. Arch feels like coming home to me in a strange way, even though BSD is still solid. Linux is a much better workstation that BSD these days.
edit: perhaps I’m something of a masochist. :)
I see Endeavour as Arch with sane defaults. They also use the Arch repos, if the distro dies I’m not really affected.
I love that for you.
My wife found it accessible enough that I switched my own setup to it for consistency and it’s done well. But yeah if arch works don’t consider switching
archinstall straight up could not deal with the partition setup I wanted, EOS installed without problems. Something about installing btrfs with multiple subvolumes next to Windows on the same drive.
After using Arch for 13 years I just learned what archinstall is…
Just install it normally, it’s literally like 10 commands.
Cool. Glad it worked for you.
I have used both Arch and Eos. I use a special tiling wm, and I have Nvidia. Form Arch I have to install everything I need, from Eos I just select install without a wm/dm remove some bloat and install the missing. Almost the same outcome, almost the same time to set up. So it does not matter (for me).
Out of the box Eos provieds ease, Arch provides knowledge (along the way). I have friends which are tech savy enough to daily drive Eos, but unintrested to learn how the linux ecosystem works by installing Arch (at least until a bug forces them to read the wiki)
Same but cachyos
and garuda! love garuda
love garuda
An equivalent of Rani should legally mandated to be on all Arch-based distros.
wait, that’s not a standard?
I tried running Bazzite for a few months, but just kept running into one weird issue after another. Went to Endeavor and they all went away overnight.
I’m technical enough that I can configure Arch from scratch, but simply can’t be bothered. I just need my computer to work. Every day.
I felt like when I was working with Arch, and I’m sure it’s operator error, it was like maintaining a starship with a dozen systems that could individually go wrong and I was responsible for all of them. Endeavor was fully setup with no weirdness in less than 30 minutes.
Had the opposite experience, tried Endevour first, must have done something wrong as it started running like ass/freezing up constantly requiring a full reboot to come back.
Swapped to bazzite and didn’t have that issue again, I did get to learn more about how to work with mutable distros too.
Ultimately didn’t matter much as that laptop died about a year later anyway, it won’t turn on at all anymore, good run of like 10 years tho.
These odd freezes, especially when moving files at scale, is something I struggled with on all Arch-based distros I had installed: Arch itself, EndeavourOS, Manjaro.
Either Arch doesn’t like my hardware in some way, or it’s just something Arch users struggle with.
Any other distros worked just fine in that regard.
Someone could write a book…
The Joys of Distro-Hopping
bazzite isnt in this meme?
The post I’m replying to mentions their experience with Bazzite lol
sorry, i had just woken up
Same experience with bazzite.I had a very strange issue with packages completly gone after using LACT to experiment and managing to freeze my os.
TBH I realised immutable systems aren’t for me and I am not a linux noob, so I immediately went back to Arch and never looked back.
archinstall is amazing btw. Best installer by far IMHO. shit free, takes 30s to setup an arch system with great defaults. Nothing beats it for me.
Edit: for me someone using “I use void btw” would make more sense.
What does immutable mean? I’ve been using Linux for decades and never heard it until recently.
The root filesystem is read only, packages are installed on the user level through for example flakpak. And a lot of time system updates come as a whole new root filesystem, essentially making broken updates impossible.
I had cachyos for 6 months no issues than the last 6 months it’s been freezing constantly, was fine on an older kernel, but fans and performance mode didnt work, stuck on high or low (could swap on latest rc kernel, but itd freeze) Tried bazzite and so far no freezes (except when using usb c to display port but I had bsod on windows doing that in vr and I think thats just a laptop hardware problem)
Arch can be configured without archinstall in 20 minutes by a YouTube video even if you’re a grandma with 0 technical skills.
Let’s all stop pretending that having it manually installed means anything and just use whatever does it for us. Like, well, Endeavour.
It’s not the installation I fail on. It’s that 3-4 months after installation, my installation is so bespoke that I don’t even know how to make a forum post on it anymore.
I did mention I can install it by hand, but I hardly gain any benefit by doing so other than clout. And I don’t give a hoot about clout.
That’s one of my gripes with Arch, too. It takes too much manual interaction on an everyday basis, it’s not a “set it and forget it” kind of system.
To some, sometimes lesser, extent it also translates to its derivatives, be it Endeavour, Garuda, Manjaro or whatever strikes one’s fancy.
You… heavily overestimate a grandma with 0 technical skills.
It can be installed in 20 minutes with a youtube video by a person with 0 technical knowledge that is comfortable using a computer and doesn’t get scared seeing a terminal.
Fair enough. Honestly, fear is the main barrier
If you can open a YouTube video, open a terminal and not scream in horror, you fill all the prerequisites.
Garuda is an Arch based non immutable distro with a similar gaming and performance focus to Bazzite. It’s where I went when Bazzite felt off to me.
For anyone thinking of a switch, it’s worth a look.
Meanwhile in a nearby living room: I use Nyarch btw!
I do not get why people on distros like Endevour or Cachy say that they use arch. It makes me cringe everytime. Be proud of your distro, they are all good.
Endeavour is Arch. It uses the Arch repos.
If it isn’t Arch, then those automated Windows 11 installers with pre-configurations used by enterprises aren’t Windows. Of course they are.
Linux isnt windows so I reject that comparison. But by your logic anything running nix is nixOS or anything using debian is debian. Plenty of distros share repos, kernels, software but they are still independent distros.
By your logic every Android phone has Samsung os, LG os, pixel os and not android.
Yes my phone does run samsungOS but it also runs the android kernel. We generalize when we say “android” the same as we generalize when we call all linux distros “linux”
Is ‘I run arch’ your entire personality…?
No I dont use arch and I’ve never claimed I use arch. I just point out that if you dont use arch its cringe to tell people you run arch. Thats just common sense I thought but there are many non arch users that are feeling attacked by me pointing that out.
wat.
Did you misread? Or have a brain fart to misstep logic like that?
Also,
Plenty of distros share repos, kernels, software but they are still independent distros.
You must be using “independent distros” in a very different way from the conventional understanding of these words.
Yes I am using it differently than the distrowatch websites search filter. And I would not call distrowatches search filter a conventional understanding of the word.
Im not saying independent as in they do everything themself from scratch im saying it as in they are self governing.
I’ve done full manual installs and archinstall installs of mainline arch and I would argue endevouros is arch. It’s more than just “arch based” it’s literally a basic arch install with calamaris. It updates from official arch repos and arch kernal ect.
While I only tell people I use endevouros I do not understand why anyone cares if an endevouros user says they use arch lol. What is the difference between that and something like archinstall besides slightly easier btrfs configs?
I’d consider CatchyOS to be in the arch based category but not EndevourOS
I’ve done full manual installs and archinstall installs of mainline arch and I would argue endevouros is arch
If I said I had just installed Arch and someone found out that i had installed EndevourOS I would consider that lying. To me Endevour has a completely different philosophy and culture than Arch. Its preconfigured to someone elses liking which is basically the complete opposite of Arch. They’re different in every way except sharing the same packages which a ton of distros do. If EndevourOS isnt its own distro then a ton of distros get erased and linux becomes instantly less diverse.
I do not understand why anyone cares if an endevouros user says they use arch lol
Well I agree it would be weird for someone to get upset over it I think having a baseline care for people to be truthful and accurate is perfectly understandable. Lying to me means there is something wrong like a person is trying to cover for something. I dont want people to think they should be embarrassed for saying they use endevour and feel pressured to say they use arch instead. Plus I would say arch being arch is an iconic part of linux culture and ought to be preserved.
I think you just need to stop being elitist about it.
Who cares? Honestly - who cares how someone installed their OS? We should be doing everything to get people to switch to Linux (of any flavour), but instead dudes like you go “oh, you have XYZ OS? Well, that’s not really Arch, is it?” What even is the point?
Its not being elitist. I dont consider arch to be hard to install or maintain or anything. Its just cringe that people want to tell people that they use arch when they dont use arch. It means they are ashamed of the distro they run.
If you want to go around telling people you use arch btw while on mint themed like arch thats fine but its not elitist to find that behavior cringe.
It means they are ashamed of the distro they run.
See? You are being elitist. Your first thought is that they hope to elevate themselves somehow by saying they use Arch.
When they might just not be bothered (or don’t know) to say “Arch-based”. Because ultimately, there’s no difference. When you’re troubleshooting packages, or whatever, there’s no functional difference between saying “It’s Arch” and “It’s WhateverTheFuck OS (Arch-based)”. The latter just takes more time to type out.
If you want to go around telling people you use arch
See this? You think people go around telling other what distro they’re using. You are elitist. It’s just an OS, bro.
That’s a good point, and I’d have to partly agree with it being lying. But only if I’m talking to arch enthusiasts or well versed linux enthusiasts.
If I’m talking with someone that only knows a few distro names saying you use arch gets what you are using across without having to explain what EndevourOS is. I don’t think it should be lumped in with other arch based distros that use their own repos either. The default config being so close to archinstall is one of the main reasons I switched
If I’m talking with someone that only knows a few distro names saying you use arch gets what you are using across without having to explain what EndevourOS is.
Yes I can agree with someone doing this and I wouldnt find that cringe.
Yeah, I use Endeavour and I would never say I use Arch. I’ve never installed Arch. That’s like the whole thing about it.
I confess I have sometimes said I used Gentoo since 2007, when really, that was Sabayon, and not Gentoo until 2010.
This was indeed technically wrong, or at the very least, misleading. Merely a choice of expedient shorthand, to avoid my usual verbose precision.
Does anyone really care though?
It does get me wondering how many “I use arch btw” are not really, and boasting a nothing burger from even less. XD
Even that has been massively simplified, no?
Yup
archinstallis damn near perfect for everything except corner cases as far as most end users are concerned. Installing Arch manually is just wasting your time these days.Oh, I installed Arch manually the other day and rather enjoyed the process :'( felt good to be reminded of all the bits and bobs.
TBF I have been accused of being a time-waster on occasion
Cause it’s funny to say arch btw
Its only funny if you’re actually an arch user tho.
for me at least, endevour and cachy dont rlly have an identity, they feel like Arch but easier to install with very little difference in actual use
They do. They have their own identity, community and user culture. Go make a post on the arch fourms, endevour fourms and cachy fourms and it will be 3 different experiences because they cater to different niches of people. Majority of Arch users will never get their system as optimized as cachy.
There is little different in actual use between all linux distros. They all feel mostly the same but the differences are there and they are what makes linux cool.
Because Endevour and Cachy are based on Arch, btw.
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I use Manjaro by the way
Does this work for cachyOS too?
Nod-nod!
ZFS - Snapshotting with cachyos is like a magic shield.
Clonezilla
Interesting. I’ve only used zfs for my nas. Do you run it on a single drive?
