Agents use facial recognition, social media monitoring and other tech tools not only to identify undocumented immigrants but also to track protesters, current and former officials said.

  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    22 hours ago

    If you think that any nation-state with the money to implement this shit isn’t doing it already, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Surveillance is a matter of power and maintaining it, far more than any ideological thing. There are already people being caught by this sort of shit in the UK and Europe as well.

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      Those are fascist states too. You can’t make use of this kind of technology and still claim to be the good guys. Fascisms not a left or right thing, both sides of the aisle can slide into that kind of behavior.

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        Authoritarianism applies to both sides, and the middle. Fascism is a right wing authoritarian ideology.

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          No, it’s in principle undetermined in ideology. Historical ones, even Stalin or Pol Pot variants, were rather right wing. But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.

          EDIT: What I mean is that fascism is that “third way”, not left-wing or right-wing. And has made situational alliances with things from both. That was its main difference from old conservatives in the beginning of XX century.

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            Oh, the historical fascisms such as under Stalin and Pol Pot, right.

            it’s in principle undetermined in ideology

            Correct in so far, as it‘s determined by economic system. Which happens to align with left/right ideology.

            But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.

            You’re making shit up depending on how your tummy feels, don‘t you?

            Please stop using the internet.

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              How to detect a commie idiot without them naming themselves.

              I’m actually using Eco’s version, and he’s notably leftist.

              Please stop using the internet.

              Smart thoughts were chasing you, but you were always faster.

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                I would have been more impressed, if you‘d actually provided argumentative content instead of personal attacks.

                Not sure, what you used Umberto Eco‘s definition for, but it wasn‘t to formulate a coherent thought on the topic.

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                  Not sure, what you used Umberto Eco‘s definition for, but it wasn‘t to formulate a coherent thought on the topic.

                  Thank you for your opinion, but for classifying Stalin and Pol Pot as fascist, at the very least. If you have actually read that definition.

                  You’re making shit up depending on how your tummy feels, don‘t you?

                  vs

                  if you‘d actually provided argumentative content instead personal attacks.

                  and

                  Correct in so far, as it‘s determined by economic system. Which happens to align with left/right ideology.

                  , I don’t even know, “idiot” doesn’t seem a personal attack in such a situation. Commies are the only kind of people claiming that fascism has any economic alignments, as far as I have seen.

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            No it’s not entirely clearly defined. But a few elements appear in all of them: Anti- communism/socialism, dictator, far-right idiologies, nationalism…

            I wouldn’t say any if these are desired by leftism, or rather opposites.

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          I did some reading, it seems I had a misunderstanding of some of the finer details. Perhaps authoritarian or totalitarianism are better terms? I’m not sure, but regardless, I fail to see how many of the tactics of fascism couldn’t be employed by the political left, which I guess is the point I was originally getting at.

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            I fail to see how many of the tactics of fascism

            Leftism overtly opposes the tools of fascism: sexism, racism, imperialism, nationalism, etc.

            Maybe you should more reading before posting about this topic.