Microsoft is working on a new project labeled Windows ‘K2’, intent on removing bloatware, reducing AI, and optimizing Windows 11 for gaming, with three focuses of ‘performance, craft, and reliability’.
the issue is not about performance, is about enshitification. I mean, do we need TPM? do we need Microslop account to login our pc/laptop? do they really need to shove Copilot into Windows?
This is such a huge W for linux. It legitimizes linux as a real competitor in so many eyes.
That’s because it is a legitimate competitor. It’s the freedom OS, and only way for the world to escape Americas big tech fascism.
Yeah I know I’ve been using it for gaming for years. But when I say linux is good people might brush it off because oh you would say that as a linux user. But im highlighting that Microsoft saying this legitimizes Linux in a completely different way. It legitimizes it for all the people that see Windows as the best OS the people outside the linux bubble.
Then they fight you.
Bring it on
There is no greater force in the world than how glass half full Linux users can be, makes me so proud.
Reducing ai but not removing it ain’t it
Microsoft adds the bloat themselves, and ever increasing telemetry reporting back, promises to update W10 for the lifetime of the device, reneges on it with W11 quoting security as its rationale but leaving 400 million users without security updates. Does all this at a time Linux is becoming very friendly and android phones have a desktop mode so they can be plugged into a keyboard and monitor and bypass the need for Windows. Microsoft has a bit of a think about the market value of its idiot direction and decides to remove a lot of the crap slowing the OS and give people back a little privacy, touts it as a new way of thinking about personal computing.
I’d say i’m cautiously optimistic but honestly i’m just not optimistic. They want to ‘remove bloat, reel back AI, etc’ and I’m just going to ask “how?”
how can they possibly improve their OS when the past year updates to 11 have been the worst in the companies history. the past few months alone have been an absolute cluster fuck and that’s saying A LOT considering this the same company that gave us ME and Vista.
Before rebuilding the OS they need to take a seriously look internally and rebuild teams, management, etc because its’ clear as day the company that they have currently cannot produce the potential OS they seem to want to produce.
You mention Windows Me and Vista as low points but Windows 8 was such a donkey that your memory must have blocked it so you could go on with your life. And you just know this wonderful new streamlined and privacy conscious version is going to look suspiciously like Windows 7 which most users wanted to stick with anyway.
You mention Windows Me and Vista as low points but Windows 8 was such a donkey that your memory must have blocked it so you could go on with your life.
Good lord you’re right. I had completely forgotten about 8. I know I had it, I must have had it but I don’t actually remember using it. It’s like a gap there between 7 and 10 that is just gone from my head.
A lot can be said about Windows 8. I liked it. It was rock stable for me. It took EOL for me to migrate my gaming pc to windows 10 (due to baked in telemetry mostly).
That’s not gonna happen until they, at the very least, crash and burn. There are some very competent tech people at Microsoft, and none of them are at the C level or upper management.
Microsoft is reportedly looking at Valve’s SteamOS as the benchmark for gaming
Yeah, that’s Linux
Valve’s SteamOS continues to show significant advantages over Windows 11 for gamers, with better memory utilization and improved in-game performance, but Microsoft has a plan to combat that.
Let that sink in for a second. Linux with a not-an-emulation layer API runs Microsoft Windows games faster than Microsoft Windows, and so now Microsoft is scrambling to get windows at least as efficient again as Linux in running Windows products.
Anyone ever trusting Microsoft again is a dumbass fool
We really need more alternative private non-stock unionized companies in USA made to go against Big Tech
That’s really what it comes down to. Better alternatives across the board
Yes. If the community can win this hard ad-hoc, imagine the glory of buying from a dedicated employee owned vendor that provides a full stack solution with a support contract.
There’s nothing (legal) the enshitifiers could counter with.
And even when they go full illegal (and they always do), there’s more of us common folks who want a good product and a fair wage, than there are of them (exploiters).
Knowing Microsoft, the new project is an update to DirectX which has features impossible for Proton to translate without violating anti-circumvention laws or an always on DRM baked into core features.
My only hope with this is that MS doesn’t have a complete hold on the gaming market anymore. Valve has to hold some serious sway at this point, and MS doing that might backfire on them.
Section 1201(f) of the DMCA allows for interoperability; I’m sure Valve’s lawyers will figure it out
They could also do the Nintendo thing and plaster their trademarked name all over critical functions or interfaces and then sue anyone who tries to re-write their software, since you still have to handle calls to the MicrosoftTMOfficialDirectX13Windows_draw() function. Using a registered trademark without permission violates a different set of laws.
This would be fair use. Has already been decided https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_Inc.
Arguably the trademark issue has not been exactly resolved but I think this case will be very persuasive.
Yeah, MS lost a lot of trust with stupid things and getting that back - good luck with that.
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I abandoned Windows for Linux rather than update to Windows 11. I will be interested to see what Microsoft does, but at this point I seriously doubt they’re going to be able to give me a good enough reason to return to Windows as my primary OS. At this point I only need it for a few applications that don’t have a Linux equivalent and don’t run on Wine.
Have you tried to Winboat the apps missing ?
I also switched earlier this year to cachyos. I’m definitely not going back. The simple fact that I need to boot the Windows old partition to update it makes me anxious.
I feel so much more in control of my operating system it feels really nice.
Seconding Winboat, works great for the one piece of software I have that is stuck on Windows. At this point I am 100% not going back, I even wiped my Windows disk. That drive is for trying out other distros now.
Winboat looks really interesting. How does it compare to just using WinApps? It seems like it’s basically just doing the heavy lifting for setting programs up, yeah?
It’s very similar. I found WinApps to be quite flaky, where WinBoat feels much more solid. However, a nice feature of WinApps is the ability to set the Windows apps as the default file type, and you can open files from the right click > Open With, which you can’t do with WinBoat. Not that I’ve found, anyway.
Nice, the default file types isn’t a deal breaker for me. I’ll have to give it a shot! I’ve been testing debian on my laptop before changing my desktop over. Hadn’t found a good solution for a handful of my windows-only programs yet but this seems like it might do the trick.
This looks cool, I assume it’s not meant for super resource intensive programs though?
I know it’s not possible for everyone, but I just cut ties with any application that wouldn’t work on Linux and found alternatives.
For those that can’t, it’s worth it to go 99% Linux and set up a dual-boot. Also I made a video recently that details some security measures you can take on Windows to help you stay private if anyone’s interested.
I hate that I need to keep one computer in my household on windows to be able to run my business. I’ve got 4 programs that I need to connect to my machines or I can’t do anything.
I don’t think they care as long as your employer is still using Windows. They will get really scared if school systems start adopting Linux.
Most schools these days (not college or uni) use chrome books not windows. I think Microsoft’s bread and butter is boomers and businesses, to hell with the average consumer.
Eh, TPM is pretty convenient for full-disk encryption tbh
Ubuntu just added that feature. Not my distro of choice, but it’s coming up.
linuxes can do that too. sure, you have to set it up by hand for now, but the necessary tools are available
Microsoft right now
There’s nothing MS can do to make me trust them again. They can “love bomb” all they want, but a toxic ex is a toxic ex.
Publicly traded corporations will always exploit anything and anyone they can get away with to maximize their profits. They will only improve just enough to trap you again, then the exploitation begins again.
a toxic ex is a toxic ex
This, for sure, but if she wants to dance I’ll dance with her. 🤪
For serious, tho: people change. I don’t expect mega corporations to ever change for the better. They’ll do whatever they need to get money and you can guarantee they’ll fuck you (the bad kind) as soon as you’re invested.
For serious, tho: people change. I don’t expect mega corporations to ever change for the better.
at the very best, they can, on occasion, do something thats accidentally good.
But that never really meaningfully alters the trajectory of evil.
Why would anyone get their hopes up about a Microsoft product?
Some of the hardware sold under their name is/was quite ok.
I’m not sure who designed and created that stuff, though.
Strip out all tracking, anti-competitive anti consumerist features, remove all AI, make it secure and with all of the extra and fancy features opt-in.
Literally just make a decent, respectable operating system, and you will win. This is how you win at literally anything right now. Just make it durable and private and secure and not extremely expensive and make sure it WORKS, and people will suck your dick from across the planet.
NOBODY WANTS AI OR MICROTRANSACTIONS OR TO BE PUSHED AROUND OR CONNED, YET THAT’S ALL ANYBODY IS DOING - THE POSITION OF NOT A PIECE OF SHIT IS LITERALLY UP FOR GRABS, YOU JUST NEED TO REACH OUT AND TAKE IT.
Hilarious. Nobody goes through the trouble of achieving multiple monopolies just to give people what they want.
Yeah, it’s starting to look as though their monopoly is not as secure as they’d assumed, so they might bend a bit, for a while.
That almost never works. By the time a monopoly starts to crumble the rot is systemic. In this case, every single internal stakeholder at MS is going to sabotage the project as soon as someone tells them their baby cant use 3GB of ram and track every mouse click the user makes while it forces flashing ads onto the screen.
Also don’t be fucking insane or evil? I feel like that doesn’t need to be said, but it 100% does, apparently.
Just release an updated version of Win 10, problem solved.
like they said they would
I hope they don’t do all of this. I just want them to lose you know.
Get rid of telemetry, ads, AI, and the MS account requirement for a start.
This sounds like a very good thing, right? They’ve got the message that we don’t want Copilot, we don’t want AI, we don’t want our computers to require an Internet connection, and they’re listening.
No, they’re listening to market share change.
Please explain how that’s different from what I said?
The source of the numbers doesn’t matter, only the numbers.
Is the downstream behavior not almost identical? Is this pedantry for pedantry’s sake, or are you attempting to make a point?
It’s pedantry. The inevitable result of not listening to your customers is losing customers. Losing market share is still customer feedback.
The difference is they only care about shareholders and will do whatever to get enough people or corporate users back. That doesn’t mean they’re going to do what we all want.
So we all agree they’re listening to market share change
Not sure what point you or the other one are attempting to make, but the original point is still valid
I hope you were sarcastic… Because Microsoft’s new business model is AI. So Windows will continue to be their portal toward AI.
Recycle Bin is still fucking broken after literal YEARS of me complaining over the fact it doesn’t delete files older than 30 days from it. I have files that date months back in time. How about you start at fucking that Microsoft, eh?
Also fuck off the Recommended section from Start menu. The greatest idiocy of all times, wasting same amount of Start menu real estate whether it’s enabled or not. It just wastes same space telling me to tuen it on when it’s disabled. What the fuck?
You know what’s funny? The fact that they could have done this ages ago.
But then we wouldn’t have the amazing AI no one asked for or uses!
