- After Sonos bricked their old hardware to force upgrades, I wouldn’t trust Sonos if they sold analog jack headphones. - Who’s Analog Jack? And what kind of superpower is that even supposed to be? 
- They did reverse that one pretty fast 
 
- Have they fixed everything their app update broke yet? That would go a long way towards consumer confidence and getting people to invest in any more of the Sonos ecosystem. - Not even close. It’s better than launch, but not by much. Still some infuriating workflows. 
- It’s a little better but even if they fixed all the bugs there are still basic UI issues like the lack of a widget. 
 
- I remember reading this article a couple months ago. Here is a quote: - This operating system is supposedly built around ads; we know how that sounds, but advertising is also prevalent in other TV software platforms including webOS and Fire TV OS. The Trade Desk emphasises a user experience that delivers “better cross-platform content discovery, personalization, subscription management, and potentially fewer (more relevant) ads,” so we hope that the importance of ads doesn’t detract from the user experience. - If this is actually true, there is no reason to consider Sonos. Especially at the super premium price of $200-$400. That makes the Apple TV look cheap. 
- keep bundling content in little services which cost an extra 10 dollarydoos a month and i’ll keep telling people to walk the plank and saying ARRRR 
- Why is this ‘Apple TV’ like, and not Roku-like. Since it’s by-far the most popular. - Apple TV is high-end / premium (AKA expensive), same as Sonos. Apple TV doesn’t suck though, unlike Sonos. 
- Roku North America only, the rest of the world doesn’t have a clue about Roku. - Sonos peddles their wares globally. - Not true. I know several people in the UK who have Roku streaming devices. - I used them for a long time. But switched elsewhere due to their enshitification through ads and their TPS bullshit. 
- Roku comes preinstalled on a lot of the Chinese brands. I assumed the rest of the world bought those as well. 
 
 
- I don’t know anything about Sonos but what I read in the feed, and this sounds like a big move they shouldn’t make at this time. - Like “let’s splash a big bunch of money on a huge hardware platform effort so people will forget about . . . you know” 
- Oh goody, another streaming service…just what the world needs. - Not another streaming service. Another streaming OS. - Apple TV, the roku/firestick/android TV competitor. - Not Apple TV, the Netflix/Hulu competitor. - Apple TV’s hardware is just so much more capable than other platforms that they’ve just been coasting along the last several generations of ”Apple TV 4K”. Our over 7 years old Gen 1 is still super capable and the only reason we picked up Gen 3 is so we can get the Thread radio in a centralized location. As an Apple user, I’m extremely glad there’s going to be a new competitor in the space, which will hopefully push Apple further along the innovation path. - Hardware is more capable… To do what? - I know some people play games and stuff, but as a streaming device, why? The newest Chromecast handles x264 and can support an Ethernet port just fine for like half the price. - Also supports miracast for the odd screen casting need 
 
- How much does that matter? - If it’s an app or an OS I’m still subscribing and getting to watch what they upload, no? - No. Apple TV is 2 different products with this name. Apple TV+ is a subscription based TV streaming service. Like Netflix and Disney+. - The other one, Apple TV, the one Sonos is copying, is a piece of hardware that plugs to your TV and downloads apps to connect to the other streaming services. This hardware piece is comparable to an Amazon Firestick, a Google Chromecast, Nvidia Sheild, Roku, and a slew of cheap Android TV boxes. 
 
 
 






