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    If a deal does not go through, it makes Labour look bad.

    No it fucking doesnt. Not giving a fuck about US demands is the most popular thing you can do right now.

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      And also the correct thing, from any position of reason.

      Trying to control the way other countries are run is fucking wild, the notion of which should never even be remotely entertained.

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        Trying to control the way other countries are run is fucking wild, the notion of which should never even be remotely entertained.

        In happier times, we call the process “diplomacy,” and mostly limit it to things that affect us, directly or indirectly.

        But pressuring other countries to, for example, clean up their corruption so we can reliably do business with them is common. (Also hilariously hypocritical) Pressuring other countries to enact civil rights laws is fairly common, too.

        I have to admit, seeing pressure to remove civil rights is unusual, at least from countries not named UAE.

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          Diplomacy is fine, but the US wanting to change something in the UK that is neither a humanitarian issue or something that affects them at all, is like your car mechanic telling you what kind of furniture you’re allowed to have in your house if you want him to work on your car.

          He could technically do it, but it’s also fucking absurd and you’d most definitely go to a different mechanic.

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            I’m not saying I approve of what he’s doing. Quite the contrary.

            But it’s what he’s asking, and how he’s asking, not that he’s asking.

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    Yeah they also told the UK they’d get a totally sweet trade deal if they did a Brexit, and that deal never materialized, did it?

    Don’t fall for their shit twice. That’s America’s problem - falling for it over and over again.

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        The English are indeed the dumbest of all the humans on the earth, I’m hoping the UK has enough welsh and scottish influences that they can steer the ship away from calamity

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    What exactly do LGBT issues have to do with trade policy? Why is this on the table? Is there supposed to be some big gay conspiracy to devalue currency or something? It’s all so idiotic.

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      5: Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

      12: Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

      Umberto Eco’s List of the 14 Common Features of Fascism

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      It’s an attempt to normalize the fear/hate of LGBTQ+ people on an international level. As long as the administration continues to constantly press this issue, much like the “mere exposure” advertising effect, it doesn’t matter if people believe it nor not, the more times people hear a thing, the more likely they are to adopt that belief or feeling, even to a tiny degree.

      That tiny degree, when continually pressed, when continually exposed, over large populations, influences a large number of people.

      As long as they have an enemy group they can pin their problems on, they will keep going and keep ramping up the atrocities until we see mass graves. Again. (Seriously, how many times do we have to see mass graves in our nations before we decide that our leadership needs to be thrown down a well.)

      If you guys care, please don’t just rant on Lemmy or other internet spaces. Go talk to your family members. Talk to your friends. If you don’t have friends, GO MAKE FRIENDS. GO MAKE ENEMIES. Our anti-social, paranoid, self-absorbed internet shut-in culture is making all of this tragedy possible.

      Guys, you HAVE to push through those terrifying feelings of engaging with strangers. You HAVE to get social again. We don’t win this behind keyboards.

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      I’d guess that it’s probably broader than LGBT issues, if they’re taking — and the article is not clear on this, and the source anonymous — issue with hate speech laws in general.

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    The very Un-American US President Trump and his administration are trying to Americanise the rest of the world.

    Fuck. Right. Off.

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    Being in Scotland, it hurts to think how close we were to being able to avoid this shit

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      It hurts so much. I hope the people who voted no are looking at what’s happening and thinking “oops” I was wrong. But that’s not likely.

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    “No free speech, no deal. It is as simple as that,”

    did i warp into the onion without realizing?

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      Look at all that free speech the USA has, where people are being disappeared to an overseas concentration camp for saying genocide is wrong, or having the FBI investigate them for speaking critically about Trump, or imprisoned at the border for criticizing him online. Whereas in the UK, these days you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say you’re English, don’t you?

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      “No free speech, no deal. It is as simple as that,”

      So he’s going to push this condition onto everyone that they deal with right? Saudi Arabia and Israel for example.

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        Israel is USA, and SA can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they pay up (i.e. produce oil, buy weapons, whatever).

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        This is the point of Trump dealing with the UK over the EU. They’re more isolated since Brexit and therefore more easily intimidated.

        Saudi Arabia and Israel both already have the type of freeze peach this fascist desires.

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        Putin needs Saudi Arabia to not start an oil price war, which Russia would loose.

        The US support of Israel is making the US less popular around the world.

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    Aaahhh the good ol American influence.

    Previously bombed into your backyard, but now you have this fifteen year old with a beard and tears in his eyes feet stomping on the floor during his meltdown “I wahaaaanna insult the gaahaaaaaayyyyysss”

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    I don’t like the hate speech laws because I think they can be abused to include far too much, however NO LAW SHOULD BE CHANGED IN THE UK IN THE PERSUIT OF TRADE WITH THIS CUNT.

    He can fuck right off.

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        Could you explain your perspective in a bit more detail? I can understand why the UK critically needs the US, as a very large and populous economy buying its goods – could you tell me a little more about why the US so critically needs the UK? Is it something to do with access to European markets or something?

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          Right now much of the world is looking to distance themselves from American products. Traditionally the UK has imported a ton of US goods and while the UK has a lot of options on who they can buy these from the USA currently has fewer places they can sell to due to American douchebaggery.

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    We must throw our people under the bus, and that will allow us to lick some US boots!

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        I’m expecting Starmer to fold like a cheap suit, especially with the court ruling yesterday.

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            I think what @Naich@lemmings.world means is that the recent UK Supreme Court ruling gives some cover to Starmer, allowing him to pin some of the dissatisfaction with his eventual acquiescence to US pressure on the judiciary (even though Labour, being in control of the legislature, could fix the laws instead of washing their hands…).

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    Onion headline: Trump accuses China of DEI practices for having too many Chinese workers

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    It’s simply a power move to test out how submissive the UK government is

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    IMO, everyone in UK should be protesting and demanding to rejoin EU. Russia successfully was able to make UK withdraw through disinformation, and this only made UK weaker.

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      Remember Cambridge Analitica, most of whose money came from wealthy Americans?

      Maybe they were or maybe they weren’t in cahoots with Russia, but sure as hell it was the very same members of the American “elites” who supported Trump’s rise who also bought Brexit.

      Britain’s careless openness to American influence makes it easy for Americans to play it like a fiddle.

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        Take a look at content of this book (published in 1997): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#Content

        It was unthinkable that brexit would happen back then. But a lot of things described happened, because Putin is following this plan.

        War in 2022 kind of put things sideways, but now it’s resuming with trump.

        Those oligarchs have no loyalty to the countries they live in, they do whatever makes them richer. They are the most bribeable people.

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    Just once I’d like to hear a foreign country’s avatar say “fuck yourself trump - right in your big shit smelling ass”.

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      Capitalist nations do not care about their people.

      They’re all capitalist nations.