An estimated Twenty-seven ships to set sail for Gaza from multiple ports to break Israel’s siege on the enclave.
This will be activist Greta Thunberg’s second mission, having been taken captive by Israel earlier this year when her ship and fellow crew members were sprayed with illicit chemicals and boarded unlawfully in international waters. The Handala and her crew also suffered a similar fate earlier this summer.
Dozens of people gathered on Saturday at the port of Barcelona where a flotilla will set sail for Gaza on Sunday. Swedish activist Greta Thunberg is hoping to break… the naval blockade imposed by Israel along the coast of the Gaza Strip since 2007… (AP video and production by Hernan Munoz)
Additional information:
The Global Sumud Flotilla to Gaza: Everything you need to know
Largest flotilla for Gaza hopes to pressure Israel to end blockade
It already turned around due to bad weather
I’m confused cause that article says they already departed Barcelona after they had to turn around due to weather. Looks like the link was changed as well.
Wow that is curious. The article itself changed. Don’t they usually include “update” or “changed to include” and a time stamp when that happens? Or am I just not seeing it? When I read it the first time it definitely didn’t talk about leaving port again. If memory serves it said they had to turn around due to weather and it was unclear if or when they’d leave again. Now it says,
“A flotilla of dozens of boats loaded with aid for Gaza departed Barcelona port on Monday evening after stormy weather forced them to return to port earlier, Reuters footage showed.”
Strange. But glad to know they’re underway.
Don’t they usually include “update” or “changed to include” and a time stamp when that happens?
No. These days news articles are updated all the time with new information and nothing to tell you. More often than not, people don’t notice.
LMAO
Lol
She is the beacon of hope for humanity. She stands for the values that represent the best in us. And she not only tells us how it is, she leads the way.
Lotta fuckin nerve, that one has, to willingly subject herself to being attacked by the Israeli military AGAIN…People should remember this shit when they hear people in the Rogan-sphere calling her a “crisis actor” or “new world order shill”, or what dumb shit they’ll inevitably say.
She’s got more morals and conviction that any of those little bitches.
Other volunteers are as valuable
Agreed, but there’s no one on board with the same public face as Greta.
You are right about that
… if not more so.
Greta brings awareness but I’m not sure what capabilities she brings to the flotilla.
She’s also less likely to be disappeared than others.
She’s also less likely to be disappeared than others.
Honestly I feel this is her playing to her advantages - Israel can (and does) sink ships carrying aid - and while I have utmost respect for the crews and aid volunteers on those ships - Israel doesn’t - and having a high profile person on board that Israel knows is bad PR if they kill provides some safety for the whole crew.
I don’t disagree , i just think it is important to talk about the other too
Publicity
Rogan said they were going to turn Greta into “hamburger”.
Because he’s so charming.
Do you watch things made by people you dislike to stay upset?
To stay informed you douche.
What’s the point in hanging around in echo chambers?
It’s important to see what the other side is saying, if only so that you can refute their bullshit lies.
I’m not the guy replying and I agree with you “to a degree”. Although I got burned out listening to the “other side” for years. I don’t even really listen to “my side” … or at least I don’t think. The right-wing manosphere loves culture wars and complain about people starting culture wars so much to me it’s tiring to listen.
I do admire your ability to go through it. I think I probably would have kept listening if the “other side” wasn’t in charge of so much and reeking havoc.
I remember someone asking about Jon Stewart and The Daily Show during the Bill Clinton administration if he could keep doing his comedy if times were bad. He said something to the affect of, it works better when times are good. Which always struck me as funny because he flourished even moreso afterwards and was then accused on loving the bad times so much because he profits from it by lazy journalists. Anyways, I ramble a lot >_>.
I always appreciate a good ramble.
That one was choice. 👌
She has powerful energy. She is the type of personality that will actually change this world, not internet complainers like you and me.
We are “complaining” on a revolutionary decentralized app that is challenging evil corporations and their monopoly on information. Everyone can do his part, upvote serious threads like this one and help lemmy grow
This is how you justify inaction. Pretending shitposting is a revolutionary act, what a joke. And almost 40 basement dwellers agree.
We’re fucking cooked and some of you think you’re actually fighting.
Nah, dude, you aren’t doing shit here. Stop justifying ineptitude and reluctance. She’s out there making tangible changes, you are here tapping buttons.
Playing the blame game and shaming people isn’t going to suddenly motivate or inspire anybody to do better.
Advancing discourse and raising the consciousness of others on a decentralized platform is doing something, especially in a landscape where public discourse is regularly stunted and manipulated on centralized platforms.
Shit-slinging only makes a mess, but so often that is where discourse goes on most platforms. And to what end? So people can get more hateful and angry? So we can cry ourselves to sleep more frequently because of the state of the world and our collective learned helplessness?
I see people forging more productive discussions and healthy communities on the fediverse and I’m certain there is immense value in that.
You don’t recognize that as enough, which is fine, but instead of blaming and shaming others for what you perceive as inaction, I’d suggest including a direct call to action in your postings - if you feel it is relevant to the discussion you are participating in. Bonus points if it is actionable for a wide audience. Or don’t, your choice - no judgement here.
While you make some good points, have you heard the expression ”talk is cheap”? There’s no lack of talk.
There certainly is a lack of talk. The bulk of Trump supporters only get ‘news’ from a curated rightwing media source. They do not know about the situation in Gaza or the U.S. support for it. They do not know that Trump is threatening Canada’s sovereignty. They are not all inherently evil for supporting the right wing, they are ignorant of reality. Communication and education is key. And we can’t beat the billionaires unless we find a way to allow truthful communication to actually happen.
The billionaires are probably pretty content with people trying to figure out ”truthful communication” while the people who stormed the Capitol keep winning.
Of course actions speak louder than words, but very few people know how to act in the interest of the common good effectively - I’d argue even fewer know how to share their methods and drive, while also being capable of reaching and inspiring others to find their own answers.
We need to have conversations about effective action organically, many times over, instead of being led like the donkey in the carrot and stick metaphor when it comes to facing and solving the problems we face as a society, species, and world.
I strongly disagree.
In a lot of ”very complex” issues, the answers are really simple, and we all know fully well how to solve them.
This is particularly true of the large existential problems we are facing. With climate change, for instance, we have known the solution for a long time: stop burning fossil fuels.
What to do about it has been clear, straightforward and simple all along, but not easy – it would have taken sacrifice to achieve it. We’d have to live more simply, do away with consumerism and have to put things on hold while we find sustainable ways to do them. And we probably would have had to take enormous risks to our own lives, to stop those that wouldn’t aggressively cut down on fossil fuels voluntarily. Without any guarantees of success.
Even transitioning to a solar punk utopia would have been hard, including for those on board from the start.
All while the alternative to the solution is to to have long warm showers at will, enough cheap food that we can get really fat and still throw half of it away, intercontinental air travel that costs less than a bus pass, and so on.
It’s not because we have talked too little or that the discourse hasn’t been good enough that we can’t seem to solve it – our most brilliant minds have talked endlessly for a generation about climate change and how to address it. It’s simply because quitting our fossil fuels addiction is a bitter fucking pill to swallow. And pointless if you do it alone.
The same goes for the ”slow” slide into fascism all over the West, a.k.a. the steady concentration of wealth in the hands of dumber and dumber financial elites. (Not that it’s a separate issue from climate change.)
If you want to beat it, whether peacefully or not, you eventually have to accept that your next meal won’t be guaranteed and that, you might get beaten, arrested or even killed – hungry, tired and cold.
As our American friends have showed us, on this matter, the stakes of disruptive protests are not very appealing – it’s better to continue going to the office, get that paycheck that keeps the lights on, holds off the bank from taking your home and lets the fridge stay full, even if that means paying taxes to and serving those you protest in the weekends and in social media posts.
Tackling these issues does not require exceptional individuals, but a lot of ordinary ones working together, accepting that it’s probably gonna suck really bad. Even so, there is already an abundance of extraordinary people out there, notably Greta Thunberg (of this thread fame).
And yes, it does also take talk to bring those people together, but that talk won’t get you around the hard parts.
First - I must thank you for responding, and I do think we agree a bit more than you think, and I respect your viewpoint.
Collective action is needed to face, address, and solve our problems - especially climate change. It needs to manifest imminently. The solutions to our problems are usually simple, as you suggest, but translating those solutions into physical reality requires collaboration and coherence. We simply aren’t meaningfully collaborating in ways that change our collective trajectory, nor are we coherent.
Many believe voting is enough, many argue to me that organizing around established political parties will eventually change them for the better (translating to real change at some point), and many believe that change or progressive policy isn’t popular enough to merit consideration. These viewpoints are common in political spaces, and they show me that people don’t understand the dire urgency of our collective situation - even if they are politically active. This isn’t just about the rise of fascism and individuals like Trump - it’s about our fresh water, it’s about our agriculture and ability to grow food and eat, it’s about whether or not we are able to be comfortable broadly (or even live at all on an increasingly inhospitable planet).
I believe that simply demanding change or simply voting every few years, in the absence of a larger movement, isn’t enough. Neither is online discourse enough, nor is local action and collaboration enough.
Every action and person plays a role, but I feel it is critical for more people to understand who currently wields the power to shape our societies, and the radical change that is needed to take back our collective power. One expert or leader isn’t going to save us. Even a wave of new, progressive leaders or experts rising to prominence won’t be able to save us. Most people think they can still ignore the elephant in the room - out of control capitalism and broken economies - that are 100% beyond reform. We need a clean slate. People are about a half of a century or so too late to seriously advocate for reform, and many don’t realize this simple fact - myself included from time to time.
As you loosely suggest, collective action requires us to face uncomfortable truths, and I feel it is important for others to understand that our comfort has been weaponized against us, so the few can profit and lord over us.
Our societies have been shaped around unhealthy and unsustainable systems to enable our comfort; but where we mostly differ is my belief that there are already many solutions all around us, just waiting to be watered and allowed to grow to enable our comfort. The switch just needs flipped, but first people need to realize the switch is even there. And I believe it does take some level of discourse to come to those understandings, despite the many decades that we’ve already had to discuss these issues. I’m not saying we need to wait for anything, but more productive discourse and greater collaboration will help make these solutions more obvious and clear for the majority of people, myself included.
I don’t think many billions need to die for change to manifest, I don’t feel like change overshadowed by violence (organized or otherwise) is desirable to wish for or is necessary, and I don’t think just talking about what options we have is enough.
There has to be a way forward that doesn’t result in total chaos and destruction, and there has to be a way forward beyond accepting that only capitalism and fossil fuels can grant us comfort. It is important to realize that fossil fuel use is an addiction, but I don’t believe the comfort we are used to is unsustainable if we put our heads and hands together.
Maybe people do need to become uncomfortable to also come to some of the realizations we generally have, but I don’t want to believe that is necessary.
Don’t project it on everyone else, not everyone is here tapping buttons, some people are having serious discussions and sharing quality content. Lemmy is a social media that can be used to make positive change in the world, use it to do good.
I read it as she’s riding a Tortilla
I’d imagine it would get quite soggy by the time it gets there
I mean, that would be one way to grab the media spotlight! And draw attention to the issue.
She’s a fucking badass
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You are a much bigger one.Thank you, jeena. Very cool
:D and I need glases, but still :D
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Your question mark made me stop and wonder why you posted it. I reread my post and it looked correct to me. Then I thought hm, perhaps I misread something in the original. And indeed, it does not state “dumbass” like I read it just before I posted.
You’re a
fucking dumbassperson who made an honest mistake, and you should bethrown into a woodchippercommended for owning up to it.it read either very sarcastically, or like you were wholesomely praising/flirting with prole for being a nice person
I thought leena was flirting with prole as well.
If people can have insane relationships with LLMs, why can’t we have our psychopathic relationships in our comment section /s
By the way, I like how you put spaces after and not before commas. Very hot.
Is it just me or are these comments getting a bit steamy?
The tumblrefaction of Lemmy begins!
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You voted for genociders
Nah.
red flag if you listen to Greta right now and go “I don’t like her anymore”
I always found her vaguely annoying but tbh that just means she’s good at what she does because the whole purpose of activism is to make people uncomfortable with the status quo. Like ugh I know the world is a raging dumpster fire but can I just finish this day in stardew?
She isnt the one making it a dumpster fire so I dont get your point at all
You should do a bit of study and up your comprehension. What I think you meant is that you don’t agree with their opinion but what you said is you don’t understand a pretty simple idea.
What I said is she isnt making it a dumpster fire.
Greta woke up one day and chose to be staunchly on the right side of history, apparently an undesirable trait—to those on the wrong one.
I also think some people don’t understand direct action as a valid escalation. Let’s just hold up signs in the street forever.
“escalation” of unarmed people bringing food to people being starved on purpose, knowing they will probably be assaulted and abducted by armed military gangs on the way.
The escalation is coming from the armed thugs assaulting the ships, not the other way round.
I think they’re saying her whole career as an activist was an escalation from waving signs in the street (ie: the average person)
I mean if you just ask nicely enough times, right? That’s how civil rights, women’s suffrage and labor rights were won and global apartheids dismantled. I mean when the bully is punching my face in, pleading to their humanity has always worked for me. /s
Ok then. Either get on one of Greta’s boats or start you own campaign. God, it’s never enough for people. Yes, people protesting in the streets doesn’t do much, but you can’t expect the average person to have the means to go all the way to Gaza and give aid. Protests and donations are great and shouldn’t be scorned…
I hope it goes better for them this time.
It won’t. But they know that; and they know the risks. On the contrary, they know it will likely be worse than last time.
Short of Yemen (Barak Allah) these are the only direct actions to stop the blockaid on Gaza. An entire world watching as a live streamed genocide occurs.
Yemen and these flotillas will be written about in history as historians analyze why so little was done to stop a genocide.
Yemen and these flotillas will be written about in history as historians analyze why so little was done to stop a genocide.
History is written by the victors, but i hope you’re right.
the digital age is throwing a wrench in these well established ideas, it’s extremely easy to disseminate information, and i imagine it will be even easier, even if they won’t learn about things in the school
It’s also easy to disseminate disinformation.
The western Imperialist empire will fall. We won’t live to see what is built from the ashes of it though. But I have faith long term that the third world will be liberated and the history of class struggle will be written.
Palestine may not be free today. But it’s people and their struggle have given strength to all oppressed people of the world. They and all people that support their struggle are an example of the good of humanity that will always exist to struggle for all people’s liberation.
I know. But I still hope.
Well if they make it into Gaza then the likelihood they survive decreases dramatically, but I hope their journey is as successful as it is noble
Why? You’re not implying Gazans mean them harm are you? I know more than one family that would lay down their lives to defend people like this. They’re not idiots. They absolutely understand the optics and global importance of this style of activism.
I definitely understood their comment as “Israel claims everyone in Gaza as Hamas, so they’re more likely to die from a random airstrike than they are at sea”
Ok. I hope that’s the case. I don’t mean to be defensive. It just seems that’s often the implication with these kind of remarks.
Definitely the case, sorry for not being more clear
I’m hoping they can avoid the terror and death that Israel is wreaking on so many civilians and journalists
I reread it and I think I was just triggered and my brain skipped the whole picture. That was my mistake. I’m used to navigating more hostile online environments.
No worries 😊
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They have shot at Reuters and killed a guy, when they knew that they were known to them. They knew about that Reuters crew for days. Then they killed them.
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LOL no it was completely made up. Everybody they shoot is hamas, regardless of if they have identified them or not.
I mean they had no problem killing non-palestinan reporters and aid workers so what makes you think they’ll care about Greta or any blowback. Greta is already demonized by right leaning news sources.
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No lol once they are inside Israel borders that’s going to be an airstrike from the IDF for sure.
Edit oh next guy said already
They´re basically donating food and medicine to the IDF
Thr cost of the flotilla is alot less expensive thrn the operation to intercept them, kidnap them and bringing back to their countries
Christ the /r/worldNews thread on this is wall to wall monkey screeching
I think I misunderstood your remark at first, but I just took a brief peek at the comment section over on one of the Reddit posts. What I find funny is a lot of their crying/outrage/gotchyas actually justify the purpose of the flotilla and bring direct attention to many of the problems the mission seeks to highlight.
check r/israel, deranged individuals.
For the first time in years I feel the urge to check reddit.com…
I’ll save you the trouble. The majority of the arguements fall into the usual categories it’s “performative”, “it won’t matter any way”, “it’s a ‘war’ zone”, they’re all just “taking pleasure cruises on yachts” that “they aren’t even carrying aid”, that “Greta’s just a rich spoiled brat and it’s European rich kids having fun” etc. And of course the full fledged backing of Israel(which is basically confessing Israel has an obligation to provide for “their” territory and are failing to do so).
Basically “DiRtY HipPiESssssssss” is their “strongest” counter-arguement. The rest are just proving the point how ridiculous Israel is and how world governments are complicit.
Wow the propaganda machine is whirring itself into a conniption over Thunberg.
/r/worldnews has been a dumpster fire for years but got even worse after October 2023. I have it filtered via RES.
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It takes just one brave soul
Let not just make it sbout Greta, she is great but other volunteers are also as valuable
Zero coverage on Chris Smalls from the corporate media. Dude was literally tortured by the IOF.
I respect Greta. Don’t get me wrong. It’s actually amazing that someone that came from a wealthy family did not just end up being another shitlib telling us to stop using plastic straws to save the planet.
It’s a testament to her moral compass that it lead her to be radicalized.
If the liberals avoid talking about you and the conservatives hate you then you’re doing something right.
But Smalls has always been ignored by the Liberals (unless they could use him as a winning point after the fact). Greta was meant to be a symbol of the liberals form of climate change inaction (but she didn’t play ball and was largely dropped). They can’t avoid talking about her as easily because the conservatives hate her.
Conservatives hate Smalls but they largely just don’t know who he is. So the liberals can ignore him more easily.
Absolutely. The media bias is terrible.
I believe the Freedom Flotilla site posted an interview he did with ABC News where he was able to briefly recounts the horrific racism and assault he endured at the hands of the Israelis. Thanks for raising his name again. More people need to hear what he experienced.
Anyone who hasn’t seen it should go give it a watch and a listen.
Edit: to add to your expanded post. I agree Smalls is largely ignored by liberal media but I think his action and involvement reaches to others that Greta can’t. Greta is also selectively called upon when it suits their bias. We need everyone. He took on extra inherit risks and he deserves every bit of credit and validation for that fact. And I think he’s exposed more Israeli lies about how “tolerant” and “progressive” they are socially. Completely ignoring they have massive problems with racism and homophobia in their ranks and society.
agreed
… And her 27 ship flotilla
It’s not her ships. She is just one of msny couragous volunteers
This time do it with poisoned food, so when it’s confiscated, hopefully those Israeli dogs eat it.
My, Greta has grown up.
