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Who even is the breaker?
Iluvatar vs Morgoth?
Both can be very rude to people around them (from what is visible in public). I wouldn’t want either of them as my boss. Apart from that, both have their ways to entertain; I don’t mean by displaying bad behaviour to people; that is no entertainment I enjoy.
Sure, but one is rude to people that deliver bad work to him, the other is rude to people that don’t accept his bad work from him.
The one who makes
That annoying cunt
There are two wolves inside of your computer
My wolf is autistic and wants to play commander keen.
They look like the guitarist and drummer from a metal band where the mosh pit will murder you.
The Linus in Linus Tech Tips is an awful guy
His voice is like a electric drill with a broken bit in my ear.
Is he even very tech savvy? Like IIRC he tried to install a Linux Desktop once. And on installing steam he went ahead with the terminal prompts that were warning him whatever weird command he did was going to nuke his desktop environment.
That case was a legitimate bug in the specific PopOS version he was using
It was bad luck on every side. Mostly because pop doesn’t update packages during install
Yeah, but he could have read the messages lol
If you don’t have Linux experience it would not have helped. That’s coupled with the way people help with Linux, which is often type this thing into the terminal that you don’t really understand.
He was just conditioned by windows and Macos asking for administration prompts for everything. Linux just lets you break a ton more crap way more quickly.
I don’t watch his other content but in that one video he was absolutely doing exactly what a typical user would do in his situation. He was trying to follow a tutorial, he ran into the sort of warning message Windows users are conditioned to breeze past, and followed the onscreen instructions without trying to understand the confusing stuff. They changed how it worked after that incident, as they should if mass adoption is at all desirable.
The GUI wouldn’t let him break it, so he tried the command line.
The command line required him to type, with punctuation “Yes, do as I say!” after a big warning.
If an average user will do that, the “fix” of needing to create a file before being able to type “Yes, do as I say!” isn’t going to change anything
I think there were a few other changes indirectly inspired by what had transpired, but admittedly I can’t remember most of them. I think Debian also modified apt.
I also think I remember immutable distros taking off just after this.
Pop_OS put in a patch that required you to create a file /etc/apt/break-my-system and Debian added a flag instead.
My point was if someone is going to blindly follow an instruction to type that, they’re just as likely to blindly follow an instruction to
touch /etc/apt/break-my-systemor an instruction to add--allow-remove-essentialThe Gnome software GUI, what the average user would use, didn’t allow it.
KDE realized Discover would have allowed it (after a warning), so that was fixed
I think the point of both is that even if he skipped all the text explaining he’s about to break the system, he would have still have had to type the words explaining them, and therefore hopefully think about the words he’s typing. It might not protect against copy-paste as effectively, but there’s a higher chance he’d read what he’d copied than a wall of text. Not 100% effective, but it’s probably going to catch more users than “do as I say”, where he still thought he was installing Steam, so it’s good those changes were made.
But yes, it won’t catch everyone like Linus because they either won’t think about it or they will copy-paste without reading. Ultimately an immutable distro might be best for him. Then again he might still find a way to break it somehow.
All I’m seeing there is he decided to deliberately did something wrong on behalf of an imaginary person and then complain that doing the deliberately wrong thing broke the computer.
tbf if your desktop environment gets uninstalled after “sudo apt install steam” it’s not entirely the user’s fault
wait what? which distro does that? I’ve installed steam probably 50+ times like that… (haven’t seen the video since youtube is impossible to watch with a VPN)
PopOS had a bug in that specific version that was patched upstream
that’s a pretty extreme bug. what if you already had steam installed, did the DE shit itself during the bugged update?
Its not the users fault at all.
That is insane behaviour, and part of why every desktop app should be a flatpak
yeah, though he is used to windows warning with every program install that it might break the pc so ignoring a warning isn’t THAT unexpected
The problem with this is that it gives legitimacy to an idiot YouTuber who has gone out of their way to discourage new Linux users.
And nevermind all the other garbage from LTT
Uhh, he promotes Linux at every step? You are free to dislike him and his content, but he’s absolutely a force for Linux adoption.
Then he’s changed his tune. I haven’t watched him for years at this point when I realized how technologically inept they are. I’m thinking specifically of the storage server video.
From what I remember it went like this, but I stopped following his crap years ago
- sees an error message, doesn’t read it
- starts pasting random shit into the terminal
- breaks the system
- Fuck Linux, it’s not ready for use
- after the Linux community has a meltdown, someone points out to him that he’s an idiot, but in a gentle way you’d tell your boss
- tries again, gives up again
- films another video on how windblows just works, while he, a certifiable tech genius, couldn’t get it to work
Truly “a force for Linux adoption”.
I rewatched the series finale now, and his conclusion seems as I remembered:
- He had great experiences gaming on Linux
- His kids used it too without problems
- “freaking amazing”
- “totally stable, no crashes”, he was playing multiplayer with a friend a lot
- Remote Play Together from Steam works great too
- He learned a lot, will give it another go in the future
- But it’s not for him yet as a big VR lover
- He really wants Linux to succeed because he hates the Microsoft monopoly
He didn’t even bring up his issue in the conclusion. If you can timestamp any “fuck Linux”, I would love to see it, because I really doubt he ever said that.
That being said, while it’s obviously his fault for ignoring warninigs, it’s ridiculous something as basic as installing Steam got him into that situation in the first place, it’s pop os’s fault for shipping a broken package. And yeah, things like that really don’t happen on Windows.
Isn’t he an investor in Framework?
He is a time poor impatient person. That is something linux will need to address for wider adoption.
I would argue that their example resulted in some very wide ranging changes in approach that was long overdue.
Linux was at risk of becoming an “OS for us” instead of a true replacement for everyone.
I suspect if they repeat the challange today, it would be a night and day difference.
Yeah exactly, same reason I stepped off of linux. I don’t have the time to fix shit and it works with minimal effort is something I need.
I will switch as soom as it there and I am glad that people are willing to pay the time tax for now so that we have good adoption in the future. It just isn’t for me and I think Linus is the same.
Bazzite was the breakthrough for me. All my stuff just worked. Only 2 things I had to fix was
1.adding 5.1 audio over Spdif, which was a single ostree command to make it permanent.
- Installing Proton-GE for one of my games that does not do well under normal proton.
Took about an hour to research and fix both.
I had tried to covert 4 times in the 5 years before. Ubuntu, linux mint and endevourOS would not play well with my hardware in years past.
I very much so enjoyed their content where they attempted Linux only for 30 days straight. They documented their successes, struggles, and roadblocks. I think they did two different attempts, the first time they didn’t recommend it and the second time they did. I might be misremembering the first attempt.
They only did one?
Guess we’re all gonna ignore all the drama about LTT from last year?
Saying he’s the one who breaks is an understatement.
The one who steals prototype liquid coolers, fucks up installation, and slanders their manufacturers
Oh yeah, and disallowing employees from discussing their income, I think was another one.
Lots of anti-union behavior.
Im very happy to see people aren’t downplaying what a shitty guy he is here.
Like the way you treat your employees and the people you work with is shit that actually matters.
I don’t give a shit if someone is clumsy for entertainment, I give a shit when their workspace is a good ol boys club, sweatshop, and then when they decide to threaten a defamation lawsuit against a former female employee they brought in under very suspect circumstances in the first place all because they couldn’t find evidence within their company they admit has an awful HR department.
Just a fucking mess, and I hate that shitty people just succeed nowadays.
That’s what most people took away from the drama. No one looked into it later to find out was made up because that’s no longer interesting. As is usually the case with Internet drama.
(Emails eventually came out showing Billet Labs told them to keep the cooler, and then lied about it)
(Emails eventually came out showing Billet Labs told them to keep the cooler, and then lied about it)
Which is why LTT made a monetized apology video saying it was an accident and they had intended to return it, right? A video in which they leaked a private phone number related to Billet Labs, might I add.
The person you responded to provided a simplified explanation. You, on the other hand, have provided one that is false.
Billet Labs initially stated that they could keep it, yes, but after the ridiculous, defamatory review performed on the entirely wrong hardware, they requested it back, which LMG agreed to provide prior to selling it at auction.
Yes, once Billet changed their mind after not liking the review, they mistakenly sold it and paid them back.
As much as I don’t like LMG, I’d still suffer one of their videos if it had Torvalds in it just out of plain interest
Edit: seems my comment is being misunderstood - I know their collab video is happening, I’m saying that’s why I’ll watch it when it comes out despite not being a huge LMG viewer anymore
Well you’re in luck, that should be coming soon.
LTT literal just did that video tho?
What was the drama?
There were kinda three separate things that rolled together, mind you, I’m not especially in the know about any of them, so hopefully others can expand
- the auctioned something that was supposed to be a small company’s prototype water block or something, it wasn’t theirs to sell
- they started making too many errors in their rush to do large scale testing and when people make decisions based on the incorrect info you’re putting out thats not great
- there was an employee who used to work at LTT after being a fan who they built a PC for (maddison, I think?). When the other two items above were brought up by gamer’s nexus and it turned into a whole situation where people were being critical of LTT, she shared that she had an absolutely horrible experience working there, crazy crunch time, I think there was sexual harassment or something, I don’t recall all the details. She explained she didn’t share it sooner because she expected people would just turn on her for criticizing LTT and it makes sense she would feel more able to share if people seem like they might be more receptive to criticism of a huge channel like that
The first two that were brought up in an bombshell gamer’s nexus video were, imo, handled very poorly (EDIT: I should clarify, I meant the initial first reseponse), though again, I don’t remember details (about the very first response I think I remember not being great, or otherwise 😅)
The last item I’m honestly not sure how it panned out but my impression is that nothing really happened with it. LTT was gonna transfer CEO to being a new guy with Linus being more of a face and direction guy, and the new CEO guy I think was the one who had an outside investigation of some kind conducted. I don’t think there was ever an update about that investigation? I dunno. I didn’t watch much before the whole situation and just kinda stopped watching when the initial criticism from gamer’s nexus was poorly handled
IIRC for the third item, the ex-employee who threw those accusations around turned out to be exaggerating things - but there was a whole ass investigation and Linus did step down as CEO, handing the reins over to a new guy who was literally brought in to fix these things (although to be fair I had the feeling that Linus has been wanting to step back for a while and this gave him an out).
Mind you I’m not saying that there weren’t problems (any company that scales as much as LMG did in the past few years will have issues), but that the issues presented to the public by the disgruntled employee were heavily exaggerated.
I think maybe we should stop short of saying we know for a fact what did or didn’t happen with her. An outside investigation does absolutely help, and hopefully if anything was wrong it has now been rectified.
But there are lots of ways that companies can clear their names, and bringing in a company to do an investigation could either be done in good faith, or be a very effective way of cleaning up an enormous PR mess.
I think we should be warry of making snap calls about who was factually in the right in these kinds of situations unless there’s hard evidence available to us. Often these situations are about our gut feeling of what happened, and our gut feeling isn’t objective. And getting it wrong in either direction has the potential to be enormously damaging (though in this case I believe there was no specific alleged perpetrator for the allegations like sexual harassment)
I feel this is one of those situations where nuance and being okay with not knowing exactly what happened is important. Though perhaps you know more facts about the situation than I do, and have more concrete reason to believe it was highly exaggerated
This is true, but the CEO change had nothing to do with it. It was already happening before any of the drama, due to Linus wanting to have more time for making videos instead of having to manage the company.
They did acknowledge #1 and #2 as mistakes, miscommunication and growing pains and vowed to do better. I think it was a bit overblown and handled in bad faith by GN‘s reporting. Not that that’s an excuse but imo they did their best to rectify that situation. The reporting has been more accurate and bo other scandal of this type has happened, so far. The investigation about the working conditions and sexual harassment concluded those allegations were „unfounded and unfair“, to use LMG’s words. They did not get into details and it is a he-said/she-said situation. It’s anyone’s guess what/whom to believe.
I think, all in all, Linus stepping back from the CEO position (which, to be clear, he did a little while before those problems came to light) improved upon most, if not all of the problems, as far as I can tell. I do still watch LTT on occasion but less so. Primarily though, because both, my interests changed as did their content.Thats very fair, I vaguely recalled there was some initial handling of the issue that wasn’t great or something, and that was what I was talking about. I’m glad to hear the longer term response has been a lot better! (Assuming I’m even remembering correctly that the initial handling was crummy)
Thank you for adding more info and context!
I stopped watching Tech Jesus videos because of their handling of the LTT drama
He treated his “investigation” as if he was going after a big hardware company instead of a direct competitor in his space. It left a very bad taste in my mouth. Not to mention when LTT did implement changes and begin improving did he acknowledge after his insane takedown?
Most of those are 2 to 3 years ago now though. A lot of that was during and immediately post covid. I’m not up on anything major in the last year. Though they did just recently have a bunch of their regulars break away. It seems amicable however. And a result of the new CEO and CEO decisions rubbing against the grain of the previous very bro centered culture of the crew. Not as professional as they could have been etc.
Heck all that happened before even Emily left. And she put out that video explaining her departure in January.
I don’t really watch LTT, but I think they we’re pretty bad when explaining why they didn’t make more fuzz about Honey stealing commissions when LTT found out.
The explanation made sense to me. They found Honey was stealing from creators, but still saving money for users, so it would be very self-serving to make a fuss about it, instead they only let other creators know. From the users point of view it was still a great product (from what was known at the time).
toxic working conditions and sexual harassment (this article also mentions them doing sloppy reviewing that led to misleading videos, which is bad but imo nowhere near as bad as the rest, i kinda wish the article didn’t focus so much on it)
i also remember linus saying he’d refuse to let his workers unionize, saying it would “make him feel like a bad boss”
and he’s also said that floatplane (their video streaming app) would let anyone join no matter their politics, up to and including nazis, because “free speech”
LMG claims that an investigation by a third party found the allegations of toxic work conditions and sexual misconduct as „unfounded and unfair“. It’s of course anyone’s guess what the reality looks like.
They definitely have improved their reviews and seem much less error prone these days.That union thing is bullshit tho. Linus never claimed he would refuse to let his workers unionise (in fact, iirc, he couldn’t even legally do so in Canada), he just (repeatedly) stated, that he’d see it as a failure on his and his company’s side, if his employees felt the need to unionise in the first place. That’s a big difference.
Can’t say anything to that part as I do not remember it. But I personally believe it to be a non-issue until there’s precedent. Politically, Linus generally seems to be fairly sane. He’s openly a huge fan of Lina Khan, for example and has openly critcised the current US-administration a number of times.
full story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc
response to linus’ response (first 10 mins): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso
The drama was so minor 99.99% no longer care
The difference is the things they drop.
One drops well deserved rants and ass-chewings.
The other drops expensive equipment.
Torvald’s behavior has improved a lot recently but the shit he used to send in the past is definitely not conducive to actually getting shit done.
To be fair: he also drops merch. Which allegedly is pretty ok.
This is Lemmy, only hate comments about LTT will be tolerated /s
Linus vs lie-nus
There can be only one!
Lmao which video is this from?
A floatplane BTS video about the Linus episode
Just a screenshot ltt posted with the announcement, I assume it’ll be in the collab vid
xD 😍 😅
YES, DO AS I SAY
Why it broken >:(
What happened now?
They collabed.
Are you joking…? I didn’t find anything online 😅
There’s a bts video on floatplane already
He dropped it in the WAN show I don’t think the video is out yet. No idea where that screenahot is from.
The video has been recorded, but is not out yet. Linus talked about it on the latest WAN show and on social media.
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I think it’s just that LTT drops everything he touches lol
