Ukraine war latest: EU agrees €90bn loan for Ukraine as Putin tells BBC the West is ‘making Russia the enemy’ - BBC News

    • plyth@feddit.org
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      1 day ago

      Look at what the west does to Iraq, Libya, Syria and other countries. How can Russia be safe if the US don’t continue arm restriction treaties and develop space weapons against MAD?

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        If there’s one consistent about the Russian nation, apart from invading their neighbors, it’s whataboutism. Yes, the US does awful things but Russia does awful things and for the same reasons.

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          I am not comparing. I am asking how Russia can be safe. OP asked about imperial reasons.

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          If you sum up death and influence, you are making a pro Russian argument. But I wasn’t making a moral argument. OP asked for imperialist reasons. If the US doesn’t honor UN law and isn’t made so by its allies and the other powerful nations, which other options does Russia have to be safe?

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            Russia hasn’t done these things because they feel unsafe; they have their own imperialist ambitions and work steadily towards those goals.

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              Why do you think so? There are enough western analysists who stress the strategic importance of Ukraine for Russian security.

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            If you really believe this, you are laughably uneducated. Probably went to school outside of Europe?

            Sure, let’s act like Russia, China, India and Iran didn’t commit some of the worst atrocities against humanity because someone else did something similar. <- This is a joke btw. Just like your argument 😎

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              Mostly Iran has been a punching bag with alot more genuine grievances against other nations than other nations have against them. Yes, their government sucks but including them in your list is a little weird.

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              I don’t understand the joke.

              Russia is not USSR. What did India do? What did Iran do that is among the worst atrocities against humanity? If they didn’t commit atrocities then what’s the argument?

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                Russia was the main political, cultural, economic, and population component of the USSR and is considered the successor state to the USSR.

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                  Like Germany and Japan with the difference that Russia hasn’t lost the war. Still, where is the continuity in atrocities?

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        Syria? That country Russia very recently occupied to prop up a dictator who used chemical weapons against his own people? Or are we talking about a different Syria here?