• Buelldozer@lemmy.today
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    The word “Gave” is really doing some heavy lifting in that title. Microsoft produced the keys in response to a warrant as required by law.

    If you don’t want a company, any company, to produce your data when given a warrant then you can’t give the company that data. At all. Ever.

    Not fast food joints, not Uber, not YouTube, not even the grocery store.

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      Yes. But this completely invalidates the encryption. If anyone can decrypt your data without you giving the keys to them, it is not really encrypted.

      • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
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        2 hours ago

        The encryption key is data, don’t give it to ANYONE. “Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.”

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          43 minutes ago

          what happens when fydor monikov the sleeper agent from the kgb working at the fbi gets a copy of these master keys

        • cley_faye@lemmy.world
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          Sure. It’s not anyone. It’s anyone that can get a warrant. Or anyone that have enough power/underhanded influence to ask them nicely. Or any admin that have access to cloud storage at MS (remember they where caught with some exec having full access to that a while ago). Or any big leak that could exfiltrate these data. And probably a handful of other people, like, someone getting access to your MS account for whatever reason (which kinda happen, seeing how people lose their mail account to phishing/scams all the time) suddenly having access to your keys from there.

          If your keys are in a DB somewhere, there’s a lot of way they could get out. Would these ways coincide with someone actually having your drive at hand? Probably not. Still, the key not existing in plaintext in some third party storage close all these holes.

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          2 hours ago

          Anyone as in “a single person”. They don’t mean everyone has access.

      • cley_faye@lemmy.world
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        1 hour ago

        Your computer generate a random key using (hopefully) a trusted PRNG with good enough sources. This key is then used to encrypt your data. This key is stored in your computer’s TPM module, and provided to the OS only if the chip approves all the checks in places. In addition, you get that key displayed to you, so you can write it down (or alternatively save the key file somewhere of your convenience). This is relatively good as far as security goes (unless the TPM is broken, which can happen).

        And then, unless you jumped through hoops to disable it, your PC sends the key to Microsoft so they can just keep it linked to your account. That’s the part that sucks, because then, they have the key, can unlock your drive on your behalf, and have to produce it if asked by a judge or something.

        Note that there are relatively safe way to protect these keys even if they are backed up in “the cloud”, by encrypting them beforehand using your actual password. It’s not absolutely perfect, but can make it very hard/costly/impossible to retrieve, depending on the resources of the attacker/government agency. But MS didn’t chose this way. I don’t know if it’s because of sheer incompetence, inattention, or because this feature is claimed to be here to “help” people that lose their key, and as such are likely to lose their password too, but it is what it is.

        • “help” people that lose their key

          Funny enough, people have lost access to their bitlocker encrypted drive because of some weird issues that triggered the windows intallation to revert to asking for the full bitlocker encryption key (I think if you disable secure boot or mess with CPU upgrades or the TPM, or some weird update broke, that can happen), which they didn’t have and forgot the microsoft account. But microsoft can’t help because they forgot about their acount credentials.

          They should’ve asked the FBI for help lolz

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          I’m pretty sure all tpms can be read with an electric interference reader when they’re probed, as an intended loophole

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        1 hour ago

        Microsoft built the encryption in Windows so know how to get around it. In theory that remains a closely guarded secret but there are the warrants and the NSA and…