• derg@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Good job on the Republican Party for being complicit in our current president continuing to absolutely wreck the global image of the U.S. on top of everything else.

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      Yeah it’s the voters you need to blame here.

      They or their lack of participation put them there.

      They can get them out too, now, if they want.

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        It is also the voters yes but they are being deceived by the propaganda machine, idk at a certain point maybe the guys and gals actively stripping human rights from people and grabbing power can take a little blame

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          It’s the voters.

          Sooner or later responsibility needs to be taken and excuses stopped.

          No, the voters should take the blame for putting them there repeatedly. They won’t though…blame elsewhere, look elsewhere for a lifeline, do it all again.

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        “Blame the lambs being led to the slaughter, not the shepherds who gave them no choice.”

        You’re a truly enlightened genius who is contributing greatly to the cause.

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            That’s reasonable. The voters bear some responsibility, but it needs to be acknowledged that the system is set up so they have as little power as possible while maintaining the illusion of democracy.

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            “Don’t complain about your leaders. It’s your fault.” Is not the convincing argument you think it is.

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              The leaders the voters repeatedly put there

              It’s a lot better than blaming everything outside the genuine reason. Probably the reason it isn’t convincing to Americans is because they can’t take responsibility for it.

              Obviously it makes a difference; the Republican voters use it well enough. The people they elected are trying to stop potential Democrat voters from doing it.

              Just take some fucking responsibility.

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    This is a bullshit without context.

    Cutting off trade with Spain would mean cutting off trade with the whole EU.

    So this is embarrassing non-news.

    Only thing I saw in a German headline article at all about this topic was a comment about how Merz did not tell Trump that fact (again…🙄) directly at the mentioned meeting.

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    7 days ago

    Main exports:

    USA to Spain: Petroleum
    Spain to USA: Refined Petroleum

    Now, I’m sure this is bad business for both parts, but it’s a helluva lot worse practically for USA to be without refined petroleum than it is for Spain not to have petroleum to refine.

    Anyway, I’ll make sure to eat double the amount of Spanish tomatoes this week.

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    The US company I work for is a massive multinational manufacturing corporation with factories all over the world, including Spain. What the fuck are supposed to do, cut ties with our own facilities, because the orange pig is throwing a tantrum?

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    Oh well. Fuck the US. I’d literally take anything from Spain over anything from the USA any day.

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    Yesterday: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…

    Today: Spain is a terrible country, really, one of the worst in Europe, we’re going to cut off all trade with them, we don’t want anything to do with them, and many people agree, and I know many important leaders, they’re my friends, and they love me, really they do, and they all agree, except maybe that Pedro Sánchez guy, lazy Pedro I call him, but I don’t know, sleepy Sánchez, well he wouldn’t, would he, because he’s the king of Spain, and did you know they’re still a monarchy, truly terrible system of government, and a bad country and I never liked their pie-ella, it’s not a good dish, I mean, come on, it doesn’t even compare to a Big Mac or anything, and there’s no fries, and people all agree, everyone agrees, and they love, me, they do, they say 'Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…

    Tomorrow: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…

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    Good. This needs to happen more. Have them come back to the table begging for the resources they need and don’t/can’t produce. It would be so lovely. Have the day you voted for!

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    Hey Spain, please make a brand of Cava called “he is dead!”. I’ll buy a bottle and open it the day Trump dies. I’ll buy one for Putin as well, and maybe one for Orban too…

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    Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing

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    As Trump said about Starmer:

    I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.

    You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!

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      and the Americans that voted for you twice!

      3 times.

      They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.

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        It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
        Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it’s impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
        We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.

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          We (EU) support democracy and human rights,

          Many migrants on boats would disagree, as well as many African nations.
          Still leagues better than the US though.

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          I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.

          The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.

          We (EU) support democracy and human rights

          Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it’s just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.

          Cooperation is generally a good thing,

          Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.

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            The Vietnam war started in 1955 and ENDED in the 70’s.
            There were also massive protests against that war in the 70’s, and the peace-movement was way more active in the 70’s than any other decade. Humanitarian values were clearly on the rise, and Carter was elected in 1976, the most humanitarian president USA ever had.

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              That’s still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call “the 70s.” That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let’s not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also… uh… mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you’re conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.

              Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I’m not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.

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                As I very clearly wrote, progress was fast in the 70’s, and ideals about peace, democracy and human rights were on the rise.
                Progress being fast, clearly means things were better late 70’s than early 70’s.
                I also never claimed things were only sunshine and rainbows, only that things got better.
                You write like someone who did not experience the 70’s, and is completely ignorant about the mentality of the 70’s compared to the pragmatism that was before and came back very quickly after.
                I absolutely agree that after WW2 USA took a new role upon themselves, to act as global police, and they clearly got drunk on their own power.
                But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s. And the normalization in the White house of illegal practices with the Iran Contra, that had zero consequences for the administration.

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                  But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s.

                  Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It’s hard to argue that things weren’t somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but… so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What’s your point here?

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    Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn’t get his way.