It is unclear whether the latest death toll includes either of the gunmen, with police earlier saying one had been killed and the other was in critical condition.
Fun with live news threads, headline has changed at least 4 times now…
Sure, his name being Ahmed al Ahmed isn’t a guarantee he is Muslim, but it’s a very very very very very very very very very very very very high indicator
It’s really not, he’s Lebanese. The majority of Lebanese people, especially in diaspora are Christian. Assuming this guy’s religion because of his is literally just racism.
A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon’s population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11]
According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13
That’s the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian.
Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians.
Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation.
Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though
It doesn’t matter. The original accusation was “You’re assuming he’s Muslim because of his name”. At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian.
The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption.
Tbf he did say “diaspora” meaning he’s talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he’s saying those who moved are mostly christian.
I can’t back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the “54% Muslim…” seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it’s possible you’re both right.
(Though also I’ve seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.)
Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel.
But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;)
What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into.
This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those).
Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims.
This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it?
It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names
I’m literally Arab lol
In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it’s not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you’ll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names.
For example in Southern Lebanon you’ll find a lot Christian people
I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough?
Ali, Umar, or Yusuf
These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country.
This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless
Once again, this article doesn’t show any evidence that this man is muslim. The headline is misleading and not supported at all in this article.
I feel like people like you are quickly making up assumptions about this man based solely on his name and using that assumption to push narratives. This man is a hero, no doubt, but I haven’t seen any actual evidence of his religious beliefs in any local or major media outlet.
Well, the linked article is literally titled “Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed”, so maybe that’s why? Just a wild guess.
That’s just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you’ll quickly see that there’s NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man’s religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it
The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it’s not true, moron.
I’m having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don’t lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don’t require evidence for you to believe them?
Jesus. I’m not implying anything, everything I’ve said is explicit. Perhaps you’re having a hard time understanding because you’re looking for hidden meaning where none was intended?
The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence.
What you’re doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn’t accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching.
They’re not reporting it because there’s no evidence regarding this man’s religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You’re a part of the problem.
‘We saw the actions of a brave man… a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,’ the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel.
The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu…
Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don’t trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It’s not a pure clickbait headline that’s misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest.
After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate
Nothing in that article says this guy is muslim, you’re spreading misinformation about this man
Sure, his name being Ahmed al Ahmed isn’t a guarantee he is Muslim, but it’s a very very very very very very very very very very very very high indicator
It’s really not, he’s Lebanese. The majority of Lebanese people, especially in diaspora are Christian. Assuming this guy’s religion because of his is literally just racism.
A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon’s population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11]
According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13
That’s the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian.
Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians.
Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation.
Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though
It doesn’t matter. The original accusation was “You’re assuming he’s Muslim because of his name”. At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian.
The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption.
Fair enough
Tbf he did say “diaspora” meaning he’s talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he’s saying those who moved are mostly christian.
I can’t back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the “54% Muslim…” seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it’s possible you’re both right.
(Though also I’ve seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.)
Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel.
But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;)
What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into.
This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those).
Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims.
This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it?
I’m literally Arab lol
In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it’s not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you’ll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names.
Cool, me too
I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough?
These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country.
This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless
No I’m not. Not my job to look up other sources for you, but here you go.
Once again, this article doesn’t show any evidence that this man is muslim. The headline is misleading and not supported at all in this article.
I feel like people like you are quickly making up assumptions about this man based solely on his name and using that assumption to push narratives. This man is a hero, no doubt, but I haven’t seen any actual evidence of his religious beliefs in any local or major media outlet.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re absolutely right. A quick google search contained no information about his religion
Well, the linked article is literally titled “Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed”, so maybe that’s why? Just a wild guess.
That’s just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you’ll quickly see that there’s NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man’s religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it
You seem like a very pleasant individual.
The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it’s not true, moron.
I’m having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don’t lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don’t require evidence for you to believe them?
Jesus. I’m not implying anything, everything I’ve said is explicit. Perhaps you’re having a hard time understanding because you’re looking for hidden meaning where none was intended?
The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence.
What you’re doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn’t accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching.
Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero.
They’re not reporting it because there’s no evidence regarding this man’s religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You’re a part of the problem.
Kindly get off your high horse.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911
The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu…
Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don’t trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It’s not a pure clickbait headline that’s misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest.
After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate
Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to.
It’s because the ‘people’ you are talking are either propagandists or bots.
lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous.