Fun with live news threads, headline has changed at least 4 times now…
Can I suggest that when posting news about terrorist mass murders you don’t make the first word of your description, “Fun.”
Just pointing out that live/breaking news points require CONTINUAL maintenance to stay within the subject line rules.
Yes I understand the meaning of your comment, what I’m pointing out is that your description appears below the headline in the feed and it’s really not the vibe you want to go for with a post like this.
I realize you and your upvotes might be in the small majority but if that’s genuinely the way ya’ll feel you’re either way too damn sensitive or your reading comprehension of English just sucks. I can easily look at that and tell “fun” has nothing to do with the murdery bit here. What a fucking nothingburger to bitch about.
Definitely a loud minority. Like what? Shut the fuck up, who cares?
I’m heartened to see a Muslim man was a hero and wrestled a gun from one of these shitheads. I hope the one that survived the attack lives to face justice for his crimes.
Did they at least kick the shit out of him after disarming him?
Unfortunately no. The hero points the shotgun at the murderer but it appears he either didn’t know how to use it or wasn’t prepared to shoot someone. The murderer then runs over to his accomplice and picked up another gun. The video is on the publicfreakout subreddit if you want to see it.
Here in not-america we generally don’t kill people who are not an imminent threat, like someone who has been disarmed.
I’ve seen the video of the guy being disarmed and moving away towards the bridge, but not the part where he re-armed himself.
Even if, in this particular case, the perp did rearm and injured more people, our hesitance to shoot someone who is not an imminent threat has no doubt prevented the deaths of many thousands of people over the years.
America mention 🎉🎉🎉
(i think maybe you have unresolved issues you should work on)
Nothing in that article says this guy is muslim, you’re spreading misinformation about this man
Sure, his name being Ahmed al Ahmed isn’t a guarantee he is Muslim, but it’s a very very very very very very very very very very very very high indicator
It’s really not, he’s Lebanese. The majority of Lebanese people, especially in diaspora are Christian. Assuming this guy’s religion because of his is literally just racism.
A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon’s population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11]
According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13
That’s the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian.
Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians.
The majority of Lebanese people
Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation.
Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though
Last I checked less than half =/= majority
It doesn’t matter. The original accusation was “You’re assuming he’s Muslim because of his name”. At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian.
The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption.
Tbf he did say “diaspora” meaning he’s talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he’s saying those who moved are mostly christian.
I can’t back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the “54% Muslim…” seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it’s possible you’re both right.
(Though also I’ve seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.)
What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into.
This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those).
Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims.
This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it?
It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names
I’m literally Arab lol
In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it’s not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you’ll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names.
I’m literally Arab lol
Cool, me too
For example in Southern Lebanon you’ll find a lot Christian people
I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough?
Ali, Umar, or Yusuf
These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country.
This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless
No I’m not. Not my job to look up other sources for you, but here you go.
Once again, this article doesn’t show any evidence that this man is muslim. The headline is misleading and not supported at all in this article.
I feel like people like you are quickly making up assumptions about this man based solely on his name and using that assumption to push narratives. This man is a hero, no doubt, but I haven’t seen any actual evidence of his religious beliefs in any local or major media outlet.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re absolutely right. A quick google search contained no information about his religion
Well, the linked article is literally titled “Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed”, so maybe that’s why? Just a wild guess.
That’s just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you’ll quickly see that there’s NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man’s religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it
You seem like a very pleasant individual.
The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it’s not true, moron.
Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero.
They’re not reporting it because there’s no evidence regarding this man’s religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You’re a part of the problem.
‘We saw the actions of a brave man… a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,’ the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel.
Kindly get off your high horse.
Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to.
It’s because the ‘people’ you are talking are either propagandists or bots.
lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous.
Israel instantly blaming it on australia. Wonder if israel is involved.
“the blood of the murdered is on the hands of the Australian government, which announced recognition of a ‘Palestinian’ state and gave legitimacy to terrorism against Jews.”
Israel is the nr1 cause of antisemitism around the world. But sure play the victim again. They also knew of the october 7th attacks and used it as an excuse to wipe out a country. So sorry if I am a little suspicious. They probably aren’t directly involved but are definitely the cause.
Why are Israel like this man. Like someone kills a load of people who either have connections to Israel or follow the same faith, a heinous and abhorrent act against innocent people.
Yet Israel has to come out and mention Palestine and blame Australia seemingly based on no evidence whatsoever.
If one’s things certain we can’t know who did this right now. The right have hated Israel and Jews for as far as I can remember and the left is pissed off at Israel and some will conflate Israel with Jews.
As an avid supporter of Palestine and critic and Israel I want to say that not all Jews are responsible for the acts of its government just as not all Palestinians are supporters of Hamas.
Zionism is literally all about driving a wedge between communities.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, but it should be obvious to anyone that the terrorist state of Israel will never accept any blame for painting targets on all the Jews around the world, because that would also be admitting to all the atrocities they carried out.
I suspect lemmy was invaded by Israeli bots to try and control all the antisemitism.
I think it’s more people don’t like the implication without any evidence that Israel is involved beyond fostering the conditions that have fanned the flames of global antisemitism.
Then they’re involved anyway.
Fuck Israeli pigs.
Ahh there is that Antisemitism
I posted an unfounded comment in an untimely manner. It’s about the victims and I turned it political. I just posted it on an impulse.
If there’s a way to handle things incorrectly, Israel will find it.
Over 10 people were just murdered. Let’s go flame on Israel a bit because why the fuck not? Fucking idiot.
You mean the same Israel that blames the Australian government? That Israel?
Yep, Israel is the real victim here. Go fuck yourself
You’re right.
These two should have conducted their murders in a civilized way, like bombing people as they lay helpless in a hospital bed, or standing in line for food at a designated aid site.
Or, by blockading shipments of food so they just starve to death.
That’s the civilized, Israeli way to do murder.
Israel is committing a genocide, and they claim to do it in the name of all Jews.
I have no idea what actually motivated these deplorable mass murderers in Australia, but the possible connection to Israel is an obvious hypothesis. Discounting this hypothesis without evidence only shows your bias.
Take a good look at the comment above mine. Now read my comment again. Who discounted what?
I’ve reread it and I’ve come to the same conclusion: You are discounting the hypothesis that this mass murder was triggered by Israel’s ongoing genocide.
A mass murder of innocent Australians at the beach, on the other side of the globe. All because Israel is annihilating a terrorist organization that invaded their borders two years ago in order to rape and murder hundreds of civilians.
Yeah… Fuck those guys.
If Israel were only targeting a terrorist org, nobody would have a problem.
Kids aren’t terrorists.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
“This is not a normal war. The war in Ukraine has killed 500 kids in two years and the war in Gaza has killed over 10,000 in less than five months. We have seen wars before but this is something that is a dark stain on our shared humanity.”
Oh, you’re for real an Israel apologist. I for a second thought you might just be naive, but no, it’s much worse. You’re a genocide supporter.
A terrorist organisation and every other living thing in the area. So noble…
Oh so you aren’t discounting the hypothesis… You are denying a genocide.
That’s much worse. :(
Israeli propaganda is a disease, please get well soon.
Bullshit. The number one cause of antisemitism is hateful assholes.
You are showing the abuser mentality by saying it’s someone else’s fault that abuse happens.
Stop rationalizing hatred. You’re part of the problem.
Bro - people hated Jews 3 years ago. Source: antisemitic slurs from the person trying to kill me. I never say this shit but touch some grass or get into therapy.
Isreal’s genocide has dramatically changed opinions. I was always for Isreal; we American’s love an underdog! Yeah, no longer. Now I say that Israel has forfeited their right to exist.
Now imagine all the people who hate Jews as an extension of Israeli policy. Fuck me, people hated the man who played Joffrey on Game of Thrones and Rose from Star Wars! It’s less of a jump for such people to say, Israel evil -> Jews evil.
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Well that settles it then.
- ABC | "Bondi Beach shooting: 12 people confirmed dead and several injured in terrorist attack on Jewish community event "
- The Guardian | “Bondi beach shooting live updates: PM condemns act of ‘evil antisemitism’ as death toll from attack at Jewish festival rises to 12; event declared terror incident”
- Al Jazeera | “Bondi Beach shooting live: At least 12 people, one alleged shooter killed”
