Tesla is on the way down in every major market China/USA/EU, So it won’t be long before Tesla isn’t number 2 either. VW is clearly the leader in EU, but they are not so strong in either USA or China. So maybe Hyundai or Toyota will be the next brand to surpass Tesla?
IMO VW group has the best affordable EV’s currently, I just bought a VW ID.4 last month, but if I had the money, I would have bought a BMW or Mercedes. But the ID.4 is still a very nice car and I’m quite happy with it. 😎
In a few years Tesla will probably be behind BYD, Geely, Xpeng, Toyota, Hyundai and VW group.
On the technology they are already way behind the Chinese brands on charging, and VW, BMW and Mercedes on quality. Probably also behind Hyundai.
Toyota is only getting started on BEV, so I’m not really counting them yet. But I am confident they will compete in the top soon.
I think Toyota is still betting on hydrogen? I hope hydrogen can take off in the mass market, soon. It has the potential to be a better energy store than batteries.
Toyota have some BEVs currently available, at least the Toyota bZ4x (with Subaru equivalent) and Lexus has the UX 300e and RZ. But certainly a bit late to the BEV party. There’s supposed to be some new EV models coming this year.
In the US at least, I really don’t see hydrogen ever taking off. Even in California, there’s so few stations that you can’t really travel from the top of the state to the bottom without going out of your way. The hydrogen fuel stations that are in place are even more expensive than they were a few years ago, if they’re still functioning at all. We’re talking like $180 USD for the equivalent of a tank of gas, at stations that aren’t as convenient as a gas station or an outlet at home. It’s even the subject of a lawsuit, which may or may not be successful.
It seems like hydrogen has already lost the race for the rest of the world, with BEV adoption growing substantially in Europe and China. Personally I wouldn’t want my market to rely on solely Japan and a US headed by someone blatantly antagonistic to alternative fuels.
My impression is that much of the world is more positive on hydrogen than the USA. Toyota seems to be slow-walking EVs in anticipation of hydrogen breakthroughs. Mist of what you say about fuel stations could have been said about charging infrastructure not that long ago.
The fact that Hydrogen, the most readily available element in the Universe, is not our primary fuel source demonstrates how ignorant the majority of people on the planet are. If everyone knew, they would look at any other energy source as a complete waste of resources and demand better.
Hydrogen is a major fuel source, just not in the form that’s necessary to power hydrogen fuel cell cars. Regular gas vehicles are powered by hydrogen, since they’re a component of gasoline. Any energy generated by liquified natural gas (though I hate the term) is using hydrogen as a fuel source. It’s not exactly easy to create, liquify, store, and transport pure elemental hydrogen for use in hydrogen fuel cell cars, let alone the cost to develop all the infrastructure to do so. I don’t think it’s a collective action problem, and if we were going to rally around a singular transportation issue, I think it’d be far more valuable to demand robust public transit options.
Tesla is on the way down in every major market China/USA/EU, So it won’t be long before Tesla isn’t number 2 either. VW is clearly the leader in EU, but they are not so strong in either USA or China. So maybe Hyundai or Toyota will be the next brand to surpass Tesla?
IMO VW group has the best affordable EV’s currently, I just bought a VW ID.4 last month, but if I had the money, I would have bought a BMW or Mercedes. But the ID.4 is still a very nice car and I’m quite happy with it. 😎
In a few years Tesla will probably be behind BYD, Geely, Xpeng, Toyota, Hyundai and VW group.
On the technology they are already way behind the Chinese brands on charging, and VW, BMW and Mercedes on quality. Probably also behind Hyundai.
Toyota is only getting started on BEV, so I’m not really counting them yet. But I am confident they will compete in the top soon.
I think Toyota is still betting on hydrogen? I hope hydrogen can take off in the mass market, soon. It has the potential to be a better energy store than batteries.
Toyota have some BEVs currently available, at least the Toyota bZ4x (with Subaru equivalent) and Lexus has the UX 300e and RZ. But certainly a bit late to the BEV party. There’s supposed to be some new EV models coming this year.
In the US at least, I really don’t see hydrogen ever taking off. Even in California, there’s so few stations that you can’t really travel from the top of the state to the bottom without going out of your way. The hydrogen fuel stations that are in place are even more expensive than they were a few years ago, if they’re still functioning at all. We’re talking like $180 USD for the equivalent of a tank of gas, at stations that aren’t as convenient as a gas station or an outlet at home. It’s even the subject of a lawsuit, which may or may not be successful.
It seems like hydrogen has already lost the race for the rest of the world, with BEV adoption growing substantially in Europe and China. Personally I wouldn’t want my market to rely on solely Japan and a US headed by someone blatantly antagonistic to alternative fuels.
My impression is that much of the world is more positive on hydrogen than the USA. Toyota seems to be slow-walking EVs in anticipation of hydrogen breakthroughs. Mist of what you say about fuel stations could have been said about charging infrastructure not that long ago.
The fact that Hydrogen, the most readily available element in the Universe, is not our primary fuel source demonstrates how ignorant the majority of people on the planet are. If everyone knew, they would look at any other energy source as a complete waste of resources and demand better.
Hydrogen is a major fuel source, just not in the form that’s necessary to power hydrogen fuel cell cars. Regular gas vehicles are powered by hydrogen, since they’re a component of gasoline. Any energy generated by liquified natural gas (though I hate the term) is using hydrogen as a fuel source. It’s not exactly easy to create, liquify, store, and transport pure elemental hydrogen for use in hydrogen fuel cell cars, let alone the cost to develop all the infrastructure to do so. I don’t think it’s a collective action problem, and if we were going to rally around a singular transportation issue, I think it’d be far more valuable to demand robust public transit options.