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    6 hours ago

    If only there were a way to combine the two, then we could keep an even larger bubble going.

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    2 hours ago

    Bitcoin has at best 5 years left until quantum computers just destroy the cryptography they use, so they are right to look for an escape.

    I just wish they realized how futile this all is.

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    11 hours ago

    Can we switch back to the need based economy instead of the greed based economy?

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        Sure, but it will have to change eventually, we can’t keep pumping out more and more throwaway shit year after year, there will be a critical mass, or maybe we just die buried in our own garbage.

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          It seems the nature of things are changing from physical things to digital things, and that has infinite potential. I expect at some point we’ll start mining the landfills because it’s easier than extracting stuff from the rock. Once that happens, there’s no physical limit on the greed.

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            10 hours ago

            Inifnite potential? Like NFTs? Subscriptions? I suppose… I’m beyond not interested in buying digital things I don’t even have the rights to, but I seem to be in the minority.

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              Whether you have the rights is kind of irrelevant to this discussion. Let’s say it’s GOG games that are all DRM-free, my point is digital consumption has nearly infinite upper limits for consumption.

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    11 hours ago

    Wasting electricity that was already being wasted isn’t as bad as wasting electricity that was being used for something productive, I guess.

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      2 hours ago

      Surplus electricity would lower bills for both households, which have been particularly affected by rising prices, and different industries which have also had to contend with AI for capital.

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    Crypto mining is (mostly?) total waste… Proof of Work by doing hard but useless calculations and using it as kind of currency is like travelers on a desert world use water as a currency - but by intentionally spilling it 🤦🏻‍♂️

    Great cryptocurrencies does not need power hungry hardware. Eg. Nano (XNO) have a secure network error or using around 17 000 000 times less energy per transaction.

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    21 hours ago

    Abandon the bitcoin scam, full steam ahead for the AI scam!!!

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      How would they make money from ai? be like chatgpt and release their own ai plans or something? or something else?

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        20 hours ago

        Make no mistake; the people selling server time will be making money. They are selling a real product to a real customer, it’s just the customer is a tech company that will never make money back in turn.

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        Maybe host open source models and offer paid access for customers who need big generating capacities.

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          Paid : give money for

          Payed: nautical term meaning to let out some slack on the rope or to cover the deck in tar/pitch for sealing it

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            As long as we’re being pedantic, when you pay out pitch, you’re not covering the deck with it. You’re making lines of it that go in between the deck planks. It’s basically caulking. You actually have to be careful to not get it everywhere (not least because pitch is really hot when you’re paying it out), so just like when you’re paying out a line, there’s a sense of careful control and easing out the pitch.

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              Also, If I understand it correctly it’s also called this because caulking requires jamming pitch soaked rope into the joints so it’s still about rope!

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                Pretty close! It’s tar-soaked hemp fibers (rope traditionally being hemp), called oakum. Sometimes cotton under that for filling if needed. To me it still feels more about carefully easing out, particularly since paying out also has other uses that aren’t rope related, like falling off to leeward after a tack.

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          Aren’t most miners running ASICs that are pretty much only useful for mining specific coins? I was hoping we were past the last “people are buying off-the-shelves GPUs for crypto” bubble.

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            Depending on which crypto, but yes. And the ASICs have a usable shelf life of just a few years, so I assume they are migrating to machines for AI processing as their ASICs need routine replacement.

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        In theory you could lease your server capacity to the big AI players, but then they would have to trust you -a noted crypto grifter - with their data.

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        23 hours ago

        Same way a lot of the “ai” companies make money, investors that have no idea but want to get in on the ground floor of the next nVidia or openai.

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          No they play a different game and leverage hardware. Most probably they’ll buy H100s instead of ASIC and run AI inference on that. It turns out that inference can be pretty profitable if you have good utilization and don’t need to train your own models.

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      Hey now, at least bitcoin has it’s uses. And if you have a farm for it I doubt you’re scamming on the side, that’s risky.

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          Bitcoin saved me from losing everything. You’d have to be a god damn fool to claim that it doesn’t have its uses. Investing when bitcoin was worth $19K was the smartest decision I ever made. You’ll never convince me that it’s a scam.

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    Hey, now that we have this obscene energy-wasting capability, let’s see what other ways there are to generate equally obscene profits!