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USA has started invading venezuela. Thats all this country has done since its inception. Invade, kill, lie.
The day this country goes, will be a great day for humanity.
👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆💯💯💯
I would not be that black and white. The USA has also done a great deal of good things. But ffs Trump and his followers need to get fucked but the rest of the population.
As a global south citizen, we never received any “good things” from the USA. Only war and destruction, a century before Trump.
His only argument is that if you point out America’s flaws your just as bad as maga who uses their flaws to their advantage as making it great again.
Surely he’s not a status quo defender, surely.
Yes, but the foaming-from-the-mouth “it was always exclusively bad” is still rubbish. Just like MAGA rubbish about how all immigrants are rapists.
This isn’t the time. People are angry at us and rightfully so. We don’t need to get defensive, we need to get to the work of fixing this country. We need to make sure this never happens again.
For example?
Is this the level we are at now? That the USA is exclusively bad?
You Americans are so delusional. This “America is the best country in the world” nonsense that is drummed into you as schoolchildren is nothing but propaganda. It’s just sad that many people still believe it as adults. For almost everyone on the planet, including Americans, the US primarily brings suffering. Whether directly, as in this current case, in Palestine or countless other military operations, indirectly through the capitalist exploitation of entire countries, trade blockades, economic sanctions, attacks via financial markets, or in the long term through its climate and environmental crimes.
The US will ruthlessly assert its interests (i.e., the interests of the American owner class), regardless of the price that other people, including Americans themselves, have to pay. Meanwhile, anything and anyone who does not submit is threatened. And when nothing else helps, they bring in the military.
My country is also bad. So are many others if not all. But at the top of the list of the most harmful, evil, and worst countries in the world is clearly the US.
Best country in the world – exclusively bad You see there is a difference? Also, stop assuming things about others you discuss with, you do not know where I am from. Discuss the topic itself instead.
No examples, weird!
I mean it’s hard not to see things that way right now, saying this as an American.
Some of these people are saying the US was always bad which is rubbish.
For an example of good things that were done in the past pick at random from the $2b before trump cut it from USAID.USAID had always been a soft power tool to further US imperialist interests.
Name anything good any other country has done then. And be sure to exclude things that are even a little self-serving.
It is like these people always were like that and just want to jump out and finally shout some rubbish. They are just as manipulated/manipulative as MAGA.
“People who are justly upset that America is invading a country illegally like they have for a literal century are MAGA.”
MAGA is the ones who are doing it, sane people are the ones who are calling it out. You’re the one justifying that it’s okay because America does a vague good thing, while never getting into the good things they do.
“Hey America is invading a country illegally.”
“Yes, but America is good still, we do good.”
“Name something we did that’s good in the last 26 years?”
“You really can’t think of anything? Ugh, maga expecting me to list things America does well.”
Even when Trump is actively invading a country illegally, Americans still find ways to defend it.
Read what was said, think about what that means, then write a reply to what was said. Do not mix some things together in your head and then reply to that stuff.
Question, even if what you’re saying was true, what does it serve in the context of discussing the US military intervention in a sovereign country? Besides legitimating the US and its actions, that is.
Nothing, I specifically replied to the comment die to the absurd nature of the “always only bad”. Let me quote, it is a bit up at this point:
USA has started invading venezuela. Thats all this country has done since its inception. Invade, kill, lie.
The day this country goes, will be a great day for humanity.
Test
The USA has also done a great deal of good things
Name five good things America did for the Global South.
Notice how every time he’s asked, he downvotes and says America is good even if he can’t give examples. I’m sure that’s not a coincidence.
Name one good thing we got from America that couldn’t have been done without them and that somehow balances out their pillaging and murdering around the world.
What does “that couldn’t have been done without them” mean? That a different human could have been Einstein if Nazis murdered him? That Japan and Nazis would have eventually been beaten by someone or something else anyway? That is such a broad and hard to define “gotcha” that any argument is useless.
The Nazis were defeated by the Soviet Union. Hitler already lost when the Americans arrived. Yes, it would probably have lasted longer, but it’s ridiculous that the US still claims credit for this today. American propaganda, that’s all.
Most US soldiers in the 1940s and 50s thanked and credited the Soviets for dying to help save Europe from Hitler. The saying is “Americans built it, British paid for it, Soviets died for it.”
And now if you say the genuine fact, people think you’re the one who’s a victim to propaganda.
A saying is not a “genuine fact”
More Soviets died than Americans or British. British paid for the weapons and ships used to win the war. America built the weapons and ships used to win the war.
Saying the the fact that this happened is the fact, not the saying. Context clues.
I thought you meant “technological advances”. But yeah, for the sake of argument: Einstein’s genius would’ve been found elsewhere, again and again, perhaps in some slum in India for instance, and the Nazis were mostly beaten by the commies, lol, America just joined at the end because letting them take over Europe would’ve been bad for the power balance for them…
For one who considers life to be sacred (even if you’re not white!), is there anything that is worth American imperialism? The genocide of the natives? The enslavement of Africans? The constant invasions and destabilisation of nations? Certainly not, right? Other countries live okay without having to murder, rape and pillage, even under American control!
So there is nothing that would not happen without the USA (or anything, anyone) then, when even one of the most unique humans is replaceable?
Maybe nothing is worth all this death and destruction…
Sorry what does that have to do with the absurd “always only bad” we are talking about?
Name one good thing, I’ll wait.
Notice he can’t even name one good thing.
I noticed.
I noticed too
Sorry for being so blunt but what is wrong with you? You are the exact equal of a MAGA person shouting how bad all immigrants always are.
As you say America is great and does good while it invades a country that have immigrants coming to “the best in the world”.
You’re closer to maga than I am, I don’t tout my country is good while it steals heads of state.
He’s replying to me but still hasn’t. I’m sure there’s a reason he can’t give one good thing.
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You didn’t name one thing.
As of 2023, PEPFAR has saved over 25 million lives,[1][2] primarily in sub-Saharan Africa.
Now answer my questions.
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Hey non-voters.
Hows that non-voting working out for you, you stupid fucking idiots.
The US has been waging war since 2002 when it tried to coup Chavez. Obama continued it by hammering them with sanctions and naming Venezuela an “unusual and extraordinary threat” to U.S. national security. Trump continued it by recognizing the joke candidate Juan Guaidó and ramping up sanctions, Biden paused the sanctions pressure to get some prisoners released and then ramped it right up when they didn’t elect the “correct” candidates, and now Trump isn’t even pretending this has anything to do with human rights or elections or national security or any of that other bullshit. He’s ripped the mask of and told everyone what America has always done. Every demon that this county elects thirst for oil and blood, same as it ever was.
In short, death to America. Venezuela will break the back of this invasion and I spit on every piggy that serves in this demon country’s army.
The US has been waging war since 2002
since forever FTFY, you’re welcome
venezuela will break the back of this invasion
Jesus, this is so naive.
Villagers with sticks in Vietnam beat the US army.
Well, the Taliban would like to have a word.
20 years, ~2000 dead civilians by direct action, over 26,000 dead kids during rhe conflict, and ~10k dead ‘militants*’ in Afghanistan and $2.3 trillion spent.
All to replace the Taliban with… the Taliban.
Largely thanks to Trump’s rapid, unplanned withdrawal.
The shart of the deal, baby.
*includes post-mortem labelling of boys as young as 12 as ‘militant’ simply by being in the vicinity of a US airstrike. Military gear, insignia, uniform etc nor any other evidence required for determination.
So who started that invasion again?
GW Bush? Not sure what your point is. The Taliban didn’t break the US invasion, the US left in a hurry with no exit plan and left a power vacuum which the Taliban quickly filled.
Arguable the Afghanistan war would have achieved anything ‘net positive’ even if the US had carefully slowly exited as they did (somewhat) from Iraq.
Yeah. That’s the point,we are getting closer.
Every invasion of a foreign country by the US in the last 50 years was done by a Republican president.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama…
You… you think Trump would be able to do this without support from the billionaire class? It’s impossible to know what Harris would’ve done if she was president now, but it’s not like she was a principled anti-imperialist.
Thank you for your service
Implying a Harris administration wouldn’t have done exactly the same fucking thing
You are mentally deficient if you genuinely believe that harris would have invaded venezuela.
Holy shit that is incredibly stupid.
But thanks for revealing you didn’t vote, i guess?
WELL WOULD’YA LOOK AT THAT
Tl;Dr: Hakeem Jeffries brazenly admits that he opposes the fact Trump didn’t seek Congressional authorization for the kidnapping of Maduro, without condemning the ACTUAL FUCKING KIDNAPPING!
Like come the fuck on, you think I was born yesterday? You think I don’t remember the recent history of this goddamn country? And may I remind you: which president GAVE THE KEYS TO THE CASTLE to the fucking fascist in chief? Which party did that TWICE?
You dont have a say when you sit on your hands and do jack shit while being proud of electing a pedophile.
Your opinion is simply irrelevant.
Okay I’ve cooled off. Let me be more patient with you.
Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to make it close.
— Omar El-Akkad
El-Akkad makes my point better than I can. If I remember correctly, this quote was written before the election, so the final clause should read: “and somehow managed to
make it close.”So it may come as a surprise to you, but I do not, in fact, support Donald Trump, nor am I actually proud of my supposed role in getting him elected. I was trolling you. I was tired of you shaming me for maintaining a principled stance against voting as if I had no principles, so I decided to show you what that would actually look like until you realize on your own that I’m not seriously that person. I guess you never caught on. Usually I /s these things out of consideration for my fellow neurodivergent comrades, but, I gotta be real with you, neurodivergent or otherwise, AmeriKKKan feelings are not even on my radar today.
You can’t shame me into voting for the next war criminal because this system is run by the capitalist class, for the capitalist class, orthogonal to the needs of the working class. The shame lies with the capitalists who make this happen. The capitalist class runs both parties, and they are uniparty on foreign policy, as I have demonstrated in the post you responded to. Voting changes nothing.
And fine, we can agree to disagree on all those points — but I’m not interested in doing shame Olympics. I don’t give a fuck because I know what makes liberals cheer, so I equally devalue liberal derision. I am plenty ashamed of my country and what every administration has done since white people landed on this fucking continent, as the rest of my post and comment history will show, but I’m not gonna respond the way you want me to respond to liberal shame politics when liberals are in bed with the capitalist class and their monsters — i.e., the Democrats are just as deserving of shame as the Republicans they helped put in power!
Hey man.
Congrats on your principles.
Venezuela is currently on fire though.
Your principles helped us to get there.
And again, because you choose to do nothing, your opinion is irrelevant. You have chosen to sit on your hands and do nothing. So your opinion is equally as valued as the work your hands have done.
Fucking nothing.
Yeah and I value your opinion just as much as the work your vote has done for the Venezuelans and the other citizens of countries bombed by AmeriKKKa.
Fucking nothing.
The 2025 nobel peace prize was awarded to a woman who demanded that war.
Trump doesn’t have a direct influence on Norway.
Harris kept prisoners in prison to use them as firefighters.
How do you argue that Harris would have never given the order to attack?
Stop pasting this shit everywhere, those aren’t good points.
This is the original, I pasted it once. There is no reason to complain.
If the points are not good then please reply with an easy counterargument.
Because harris would have been impeached and removed from office by the afternoon.
It’s a popular comment but I don’t understand why it’s upvoted. Why would Republicans oppose that war and what would be the justification for the impeachment?
Why not? Has America acted in any non-imperialistic way since its conception? Do you really think the president in the States is anything else but a PR monkey and a scapegoat for conglomerates (many of them military contractors, so they get the money and the others get their piece of the land)? Please. Maybe a third party option, sure, one that isn’t backed by General Dynamics and Palantir, but Americans simply aren’t that clever nor do they care.
You are mentally deficient if you genuinely believe that harris would have invaded venezuela.
The only real difference might be that an invasion by a Harris administration would be more “surgical” or “covert” or “competent” — i.e. materially the same thing that Trump is doing, but with more liberal “decorum” and procedural “correctness”.
But thanks for revealing you didn’t vote, i guess?
Buddy I literally have a “No, I’m not interested in voting for your candidate.” link plastered on my bio. Like I’m a non-voting anarcho-communist and I’m absolutely not secretive about that 🏴🏴🏴
Thank you for helping elect donald trump.
Die mad about it
No shame whatsoever.
Absolutely disgusting.
Pride, actually
Lots of people will this coming year when their healthcare goes up 700%
Lots of people will this coming year when their healthcare goes up 700%
Implying that wouldn’t fucking happen under the Democrats, but liberals wouldn’t be yapping about it because it’s not their faction of capital that’s winning.
To be clear: I’m not a Trump supporter, but the person I was replying to was getting upsetti spaghetti at me for taking a principled stance against voting. Usually I would be a lot more patient and explain this to that individual but I just don’t care about stupid AmeriKKKan’s insecurities right now.
Like I’m a non-voting anarcho-communist and I’m absolutely not secretive about that
How embarrassing for you.
I know, I’m so embarrassed. God help me 😭 🙏
I dont think harris wouldve invaded venezuela but ig its extremely low bar. What did obama do in Libya?
But what about, but what about, but what about
Ugh, such tired takes.
Non voters helped donald trump get elected, and now venezuela is being bombed.
I am not even american, who cares what voters did there.
who cares what voters did there?
brings up what voters did there.
Please read what you say before you hit the post button holy fuck.
?? America invaded alot of countries under liberal presidencies. For us who wins elections barely changes anything.
You literally posted the article. Did you forget that everyone can see that?
Fell for what? She is not invading but he is. So what exactly did we fall for?
She’s not invading because she wasn’t elected. If she was elected, she would have invaded. That person fell for the lie that the Democrats and Republicans are not identical on foreign policy.
You can’t fall for a what if.
I mean it’s a foregone conclusion like gravity
“I’ve decided it would have happened and that’s as good as reality” I’ve decided you’re an idiot, so by your own logic it must be true!
Yup I’m the biggest idiot ever. An idiotosaurus rex.
Bro. You cannot fall for something that will never happen. I beg you to please use your brain.
You cannot fall for something that will never happen.
Don’t take this the wrong way but there’s nothing structurally stopping Harris from running in 2028 and winning. So that’s not even as strong an argument as you think it is.
But let’s be honest with each other…I wasn’t born yesterday. I was alive during the Obama administrations and the Biden administration. I know this country is uniparty on foreign policy, especially oil and socialist countries. It’s a matter of “when” and “how”, not “if”.
So if you have a better meme suggestion then I’m all ears, but clearly that user has been duped by the AmeriKKKan war machine.
Whatever you need to tell yourself, chud
So how many countries did Democrat-presidents invade in the last 50 years?
Too many to count:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
Maybe look up your own lists.
And what invaded means.
I said it and it’s happening! How many innocent people will have to die, for USA to get it’s oil? once again, USA will fill their hands with blood! Bravo!
BuT THe drUGs!
Fucking Americans.
You’re missing a few K’s 🔥
Greenland and Canada getting nervous…
Yeesh, the bots are out in force over this one. Gonna be a bumpy ride.
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Maybe, just maybe saying dumb shit like “death to [country]” is oversimplified bullshit that only serves to distract from what/who the real fucking enemy is. It’s the people in power that send the masses to kill each other on the battlefield, literally sending the working class to fight itself. To say that the people of America(or any country) are the system is a fundamental breakdown of understanding what the fuck a system or people even are. To equate a voting population as 100% complicit with every decision their government makes is beyond dumbfuck baby bullshit. The system is what is fucked, and the people in power are who perpetuate and make that system worse. Your dumbshit take is nothing short of insane and if I weren’t all too aware of the lunacy people fall into with online algorithms, I would be convinced you’re just another fucking troll. Although, tbf, the American government could use some unhinged takes online like this to justify more bullshit world policing.
To say that the people of America(or any country) are the system is a fundamental breakdown of understanding what the fuck a system or people even are. To equate a voting population as 100% complicit with every decision their government makes is beyond dumbfuck baby bullshit.
The parent comment went too far, but I’ve seen too many supposed progressives deriding pro-Palestinian protesters and carrying water for Genocide Joe to let your average American off the hook. The American working class may not be making the decision to engage in imperialism, but it keeps defending them and allowing them to happen. It’s the American working class that says “thank you for your service” after their “boys” blow up people on the other side of the world. Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class, so at this point I don’t have too many tears to shed now that it’s blowing up in their faces. Death to America.
Once again, this is another ridiculous take that once again only serves to shift blame to the working class. The American people are not a fucking monolith. What you’ve done here is taken an example or two of things that vaguely happened and have generalized an entire population with those examples with non sequiturs stitching everything together. It’s a giant claim to say that “Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class” on top of it being a very vague claim that certainly appears to have the tools ready to put some wheels on a goalpost. So I’m gonna go ahead and point out that for one: you’ve made the same sweeping generalization as the parent comment that you already admitted went too far. And also, you’re still making the same fundamental mistake with the sweeping generalization in that it’s not only inaccurate by its very nature, but counterproductive by further dividing the people already victimized by those in power. Don’t blame it on the American, don’t blame it on the jew, blame it on the fucking system.
Once again, this is another ridiculous take that once again only serves to shift blame to the working class.
Nor really. I can hate both the abusers and their enablers.
The American people are not a fucking monolith.
Sure, but how many Americans have ever acted against their government’s imperialism? 1%? 5%? 10%?
What you’ve done here is taken an example or two of things that vaguely happened and have generalized an entire population with those examples with non sequiturs stitching everything together.
I… gave examples to support my point. What? Do you want an exhaustive list of every instance of American imperialism apologia?
It’s a giant claim to say that “Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class” on top of it being a very vague claim that certainly appears to have the tools ready to put some wheels on a goalpost
Then I’ll make a falsifiable prediction: No imperialist escapade the American ruling class tried to manufacture consent for has failed to get off the ground within the last 30 years.
So I’m gonna go ahead and point out that for one: you’ve made the same sweeping generalization as the parent comment that you already admitted went too far.
It went to far in the sense that it implied the American working class chooses to engage. That’s wrong; (most) Americans allow the choice to be made for them and either passively refuse to do anything about it or actively shut down serious attempts by people who want to do something about it. That’s not much better.
Don’t blame it on the American, don’t blame it on the jew, blame it on the fucking system.
Am I allowed to blame people who defend the system, then? What about people who have nothing but excuses for why they totally definitely have to comply with the system? The point is: Everything I’ve seen since I’ve started following American politics has only managed to convince me that America is unsalvageable in the medium term and the world would be better off if it was broken down into smaller and weaker states. Fingers crossed for civil war.
Ever come across the phrase the banality of evil ?
Yeah, there’s just a couple of truly fucked up people at the top and everyone else is just innocent even if they took the guns to Fallujah and raped the women and children over there, lol. It doesn’t have to be 100% complicit, just enough that it continues being a cancer in the world, a violent murderous rapist, for about a century (and that’s only because they didn’t have power before), and acted the same internally when murdering and raping the locals and then bringing in the enslaved people. The rest of the world, besides the rest of the West, sees you for what you are, but you will deny it with blood in your hands and even call for more “policing”, lol. You’re insane, bloodthirsty, and if you continue defending murder for profit and rape for fun, you will sit next to your fellow evil Americans in Hell forever. I know you don’t believe in this like you don’t believe in anything besides the bag, but I’d rather warn you. Take some personal responsibility, the system IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF THE VALUES OF THE PEOPLE, or at least the dominant group.
… bro, this single comment isn’t even internally logically consistent. You very clearly don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to what systems are and how they relate to people. You need to get off the internet for a bit or something. This was not a coherent response in that I’m not even sure how to engage with it. Like… yeah, war crimes are bad and way too many American troops got away with them, but what does that have to do with the rest of the population and their complicity in the systems of war perpetuated by those in power? And then the leap to religious… stuff? Also, what the fuck is “the bag”? And why are you claiming I “believe” in only that? Also, what the fuck does that even mean?
Look, the only thing I can think to respond to you is that I think you’re very outraged by what is happening (which, like, yeah, any rational person would be), but I think you might be letting your outrage cloud your judgement and direct your anger in the wrong direction. What’s happening certainly is impossibly outrageous, but what can you and I do about it right now? Fight others in the working class about it? Well, that sounds like making it worse. How about we don’t do that? Take some time to cool off?
Pretty rich, coming from someone who obviously supports abrahamic religion.
People have killed more in the name of God than any nation in the history of the world.
I am not those men, those men are in double Hell, for their murderous nature and their heresy. Also, the Crusades were about religion the same way Venezuela is about drugs, get it together. It was a Western military campaign for the sake of profit and plunder, “God” was just their cover-up (seems familiar?)…
Youre not those men, yet you fly their banner.
Sounds like youll be going to hell too, based on your own logic of course.
Of course if you had any logic at all, you wouldnt worship a magical man in the sky
This makes no sense. Which banner? Read the Qur’an and make it axiomatic to your life (or even just the Sermon of the Mount, maybe even the Ten Commandments?) and we’ll be brothers, that’s my banner. Be a righteous man who sees things from the perspective of a person who is being judged by God, that’s all, and I will by default stand by your side. And which man in the sky? My man, I’m not a manworshipper, lol… but I understand why that’s your concept of the Creator. 🙄
Oh, sorry.
Magic pedophile in this case.
My apologies.
🙄.
And God is not a person, you edgy dunce.
Oh sorry, magic sky fairy.
My bad.
This is what your god does to people’s minds. This is what they end up supporting.
No, that’s a cover-up for their actual wants, spin for themselves and others. No man who believes will be judged for his actions can just kill folks like it’s nothing, or for profit, or to quench their bloodthirst.
How convenient for you.
You keep saying this and I don’t get it. It’s just how it is. 🤷
Explain how you know that this is “just how it is”
Putin/Russia: Am I a joke to you?
Don’t argue with the the religious zealots. The believe an invisible man in the sky made everything, but won’t bother to wonder why he isn’t putting a stop to all of the atrocities carried out around the world.
Human beings have free will, Americans and other villains decide every day to be evil cunts, and the world is shit for it because evil is more organized. Duh.
One country has bombed nations all over the world since they could, even dropping nukes, and genocided a whole ethnicity before enslaving people around the world like chattel before, the other is Russia.
Your programming is showing.
PS. You can’t even admit to being part of a murderous empire (or at least say something against it), the worst calamity on Earth, in a pseudonymous online forum? You people have lost your souls. Hell awaits!
