So go find one and keep riding it until you hit the accident payday?
Just gotta be smarter than humans, right?
This is pretty much the only metric that matters. There is absolutely plenty of room to improve on human drivers! One crash per 500k miles sounds extremely low to me. But if the cars are not better than humans, they should not be on the road.
You could not pay me to get inside of any Tesla product. Crappy quality, crappy design, crappy materials, crappy everything. Just another PE for guys with itty bitty weenies.
I rented one once for an hour, that was all the Tesla experience I needed tbh.
Wasn’t a P100D or anything, just a Y Long Range, but I no longer have any curiosity about it. Interior was bland af, ride quality was barely any better than a cheapo Hyundai… The only good things are the giant tablet not being slow as hell, and the powertrain being fun.
You get a lot more with European cars if you’re willing to pay Tesla level prices. Or you can get a completely OK car from Korea or Japan and pay less (as long as it isn’t a Lexus, those are expensive).
Self driving cars have always been a stupid solution to the wrong problem.
We shouldn’t be investing billions in them. We should be investing billions in creating livable spaces that don’t need cars so much. Then people will be happier and there will be less pollution.
But I guess that’s not profitable so I guess we’ll just do idiotic garbage that gets people killed.
I mean the US is heavily car centric. Self driving cars are an attempt to adapt to what the reality of the world currently is.
We should absolutely be doing things to make cars less of a requirement by improving public transit and creating more livable spaces that don’t require cars, that can even be the primary goal, but it won’t eliminate cars completely, and if it does it will take A LOT longer than self driving cars.
Self driving cars are a great idea, but they aren’t a fix everything solution, they just one part of an overall solution.
Quick edit: Also the cars Musk is developing are not even close to what we need. He’s being deliberately obtuse and creating more problems than he’s solving.
Self driving cars are a great idea, but they aren’t a fix everything solution, they just one part of an overall solution.
Why are they a great idea? What are they making better? How is it worth the real and opportunity costs?
If you like to watch your money burn, invest in Tesla.
and if YOU want to burn, get in a Tesla
For some reason you are wrong with this. Tesla is going up. I have no idea why
The stock can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
According to felon Musk, the stock will onlly stay solvent until the democrats get back in control.
Did Robotaxi just flat out steal the Cyberpunk font in order to try to look cool? It seems like a very Musk thing to do.
He is such a dork
Elon is a poser. He wants to be a cool nerd but is just a dumb c***, try hard.
No he’s not in the nerdy spectrum, he tried very hard to be cool with nerds, after they made him lotsa money.
But he’s just an awful person. Dork is too cool for him. He’s such a total loser
All the billionares watched a few too many 2077 YouTube videos.
Why do you think they’re so specifically interested in space datacenters? And AR glasses? And AGI, and corpo states? Just to start.
I found this part to be even more alarming:
All of the Robotaxi crashes so far have occurred with human safety monitors—who have been trained to take control of the car in the event of a software error—present in the vehicles.
This is significant because, as TechCrunch reported on Monday, Tesla is starting to send out its Robotaxi fleet without safety monitors.
So despite a pitiful record with people trying to correct the cars mistakes, they’re now ready to move on to running them without assistance?!? I am furious at the idea that our safety on the roads is this negotiable.
It’s insane how shit the US is at managing its cars considering how aggressively they’ve forced them as the only truly viable mode of transport. It sucks horribly to drive in North America but it’s the only option given to people. Like, if you’re gunna do the worst option at least do it right and have some pride in the system.
The US doesn’t give a fuck about its people.
The US has absolutely mad road to traffic laws. Zero concept of lane discipline, you driving whatever lane you feel like. Don’t understand roundabouts even though it’s just a curved road, it’s really not that hard. Still don’t have standardised pedestrian crossings even when other countries had them back in the 1920s. A red traffic light only means stop sometimes, but sometimes you can go if you’re turning right. No one obeys the speed limit, people regularly exceed it, and see no problem with that. And of course no one has separate indicator lights and brake lights because when would you ever slow down and go around a corner, definitely no need to engineer for that eventuality.
A red traffic light only means stop sometimes, but sometimes you can go if you’re turning right.
It always means stop. You can turn right on red (in most places) but only after you stop first and you must yield to crossing traffic. Unfortunately, not everyone knows this - I’ve met many people who think “right on red” means you can treat it like a green light as long as you’re turning right.
What really gets me pissed is the signs that say “right turn on red after complete stop” which implies that isn’t the case fucking everywhere, when it is the case.
Regulatory capture is a hell of a drug.
Not trying to defend Tesla on this because fuck Musk and everything he touches but are there stats on how, when, and why the human took over? Did they just not take over? Did they take over to late? Did they take over and make the situation worse?
You raise an excellent point, one which i was hoping to find out more about as well. It turns out Tesla has been working hard to keep pretty much any pertinent information to answer your questions firmly under lock and key.
From this Electrek article https://electrek.co/2025/11/17/tesla-robotaxi-had-3-more-crashes-now-7-total/
Unlike other companies reporting to NHTSA, Tesla abuses the right to redact data reported through the system. The automaker redacts the “narrative” for each reported crash, preventing the public from knowing how the crashes happened and who is responsible.
Based on the limited information in Tesla’s reports, we know that one of the new crashes involved a Robotaxi driving into a car backing up, another involved a cyclist, and the last one involved an unknown animal.
So he’s basically fudging the numbers and anytime he’s questioned he points at the fudged numbers and says everything’s great, he’s great, now get out of the way while he deploys a fleet of these un-manned deathtraps to “half the US population” according to a properly ultra-super-inflated kind of claim only a douchebag like Leon can make. No, seriously–he actually claimed that by the end of 2025 he’ll have these things serving half the population of the US.
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Proof of concept fails in a spectacular fireball?
Fuck it, owners are too invested, ship it anyway.
Feels like I work for the same company.
Why repair the plane on the ground…if it’s a real problem, we can fix it mid-flight.
There was a news story two weeks ago about Waymo taxis in Texas driving through 20 bus stops over a few days.
The only response was, “company officials treat this very seriously and are working on a fix.”
It’s bizarre how if you drove through twenty bus stops in three days, you would not only lose your license but be in jail on multiple charges.
But if a corporation does it it is, “Oops, we will do better next time.”
Utterly insane.
No wonder Sovereign Citizens think they can get away with anything with the right paperwork.
Oh! Driving past stopped school busses you mean. Had to look up “driving through bus stops”. :)
They wrote the legislation that allowed themselves to operate self driving vehicles. Every one of these vehicles is a symbol of the oligarchy at work.
Sounds like they Sovereign Citizens could. They just have the wrong paperwork
Takes roughly a billion $1 pieces of paper.
Then send a ridiculously small number of those to your state representatives.
And yet I cannot purchase a two thousand pound self-slamming door, which would be orders of magnitude safer.
Wow, good thing the owner didn’t fire a load of people in the government department who could prevent this.
He fired them because he knew his system sucked, and would never be roadworthy, and that was the department that would stop him. So he fired them, and here we are.
I’m actually looking forward to a lot of good crashes, that they’ll explain away as Sleepy Joe’s fault, or it’s not that bad that a school bus full of children blew up on a fire crash with a Tesla, it happens all the time, or perhaps they’ll just deny it, and MAGA will cover it up. Let them kill a whole bunch of American citizens, and then be all dismissive of any criticism.
This is the year to let MAGA fully flower, and do their worst. The Dems should just stay out of the way, and do nothing to stop them from themselves, and work the media to point out every disaster. I can’t wait for the Midterms.
He fired them because he was under 17 active NTHSA investigations.
Whatever, poeple who buy Teslas or get into a Tesla cab or buy TSLA deserve everything coming to them.
Sounds like Obstruction of Justice, and a Cover-up. He didn’t have the legal authority to do that, just because another Sociopathic Oligarch told him it was okay. He needs to serve a few decades in prison.
If driverless taxis ever go mainstream (and that’s a big if), it will be from companies like Waymo, not Tesla. Tesla shouldn’t be seen as a serious company. I mean, they do sell legitimate products, but their $1.6 trillion market cap isn’t based on what they sell today, but what their cult member investors think they’re going to bring to market in the future. You know, all the stuff that will usher in the post-human, techno utopia. It’s all nonsense, and someday it will all come crashing down, though that could take a while. People can stay delusional for a long time.
Elon’s stupid ass dedication to using cameras and image processing for self driving will ultimately be what leaves Tesla in the dust. A combination of LIDAR, cameras, and other detection tools are way safer than just cameras alone. I’m not a huge Mark Rober fan but he did show that you can beat Tesla’s self driving with Looney Tunes techniques
It doesn’t rain or snow or get dark in Leon’s head.
People who have had chauffers drive them their entire lives have no concept of road conditions.
And yet WAYMO taxis have been driving through bus stops like it’s going out of style. They aren’t necessarily better.
Yeah, but I trust Waymo will get their shit together long before that psycho will, if ever.
I think this is a case of the lesser of two evils here. Not being Elon Musk is such a low bar to clear.
Their statements each time something bad happens with their products don’t bear out that things will change in a meaningful way any time soon. There are a lot of reasons I’d never ride in one of these but even putting that to the side, objectively they each seem to have significant problems with implementation that are receiving lip service instead of actual fixes.
Tesla is already broke, the magic bubble has popped, and they are on a steady slide to bankruptcy. They will NEVER recover their mojo. The institutional investors will keep them alive for a while, but they are already Wile E. Coyote, hanging in mid-air, and hasn’t realized there’s nothing under their feet yet.
That would happen a lot less if they just used the LiDAR + camera combo like a sane person
But who am I to judge? el*n certainly knows better riiiiigghhht?
But at a FRACTION of the cost!
Because cab drivers make $600,000 dollars a year. This whole scheme, from tech to business model only makes sense with Tesla stans.
It’s a joke, my friend.
The idea being that these amazing, efficient taxis yield more accidents, more cheaply than a human.
„But that‘s as bad as it will ever be!“ I hear tech bros reciting their mantra but then it gets worse all the time somehow.
They will integrate it with GROK. Fur der Fatherland! as it drives off an overpass.
“And that’s when enshitification kicked in”
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It sounds like the Teslas are breaking just fine as it is.
